View Full Version : Christina Model VCD's
ghostdog210
17-02-08, 11:35
PM me for any vids . I have most on MF.
thumbs:
120:
http://img154.imagevenue.com/loc1127/th_48019_120_123_1127lo.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=48019_120_123_1127lo.jpg)
121:
http://img186.imagevenue.com/loc164/th_47961_One_twenyone__thumbs_123_164lo.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://img186.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47961_One_twenyone__thumbs_123_164lo .jpg)
ghostdog210
17-02-08, 18:55
If anybody needs any movies, PM me. I still check to see if anyone is still here. I don't care for RS, which is the only ul'er allowed on TT's cool site.
Hi ghostdog
I still check here too. Yep that RS is a cast iron B!
CM MEMBER PREVIEW FOR MOVIE 131
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HDQSLBQ9 (http://img.toob.us/?http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HDQSLBQ9)
Thanks a lot for the preview tvmogul.
ghostdog210
27-04-08, 22:47
cleaning this message
tomtom21514
28-04-08, 00:21
Donations r voluntary. How can a video be withheld from those that can not donate ? R those mandatory? If they r, they r not donations.
If people buy content, sharing is not mandatory. Giving the stuff a few days earlier to thos who help running the site is only fair. Furthermore, good passes and big uploads are accepted as a donation as well.
About the the RS stuff discussed earlier: I made up the rules to make the site last long. Avoiding to Direct links makes it impossible for webmasters to close the site down.
ghostdog210
28-04-08, 01:39
cleaning this message.
ghostdog210
28-04-08, 05:46
It doesn't surprise me that Charles is doing his thing. Many other sites have been closed. It seemed strange that vids were posted that his site never released.
Give the stuff to those that help run the site through a PM. Donations r voluntary.
Wow is this one good. If any of you wanna see the member preview of CMH06, here you go:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WIYVDQKJ
ghostdog210
01-05-08, 21:25
H06 Here u go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d77069484bded33bcd65f09b06 bc8a1a40
Preview:
http://img239.imagevenue.com/loc4/th_49422_cmh06_123_4lo.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://img239.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=49422_cmh06_123_4lo.jpg)
Here u go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d77069484bded33bcd65f09b06 bc8a1a40
Preview:
I can only get the first part to play, is there a way to merge them?
ghostdog you happen to have 128?
ghostdog210
16-05-08, 05:52
ghostdog you happen to have 128?
I have all the 120's ul'ed except that one . I'll get it for u.
They'll be split into 10 small clips.
Here r the clips:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d77069484bded33bcd152494c4 b3111306
Here's a preview:
http://img34.imagevenue.com/loc1101/th_14570_thumbs_123_1101lo.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://img34.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=14570_thumbs_123_1101lo.jpg)
ghostdog210
16-05-08, 05:56
I can only get the first part to play, is there a way to merge them?
What do u mean? U used hjsplit, right?
great job ghostdog!
no.6 is awesomeeeeeeeeee!!
oh i don't know how to join those files together!!
help me ghostdog
tomtom21514
16-05-08, 15:51
oh i don't know how to join those files together!!
help me ghostdog
Google for HJSPLIT and download the free program. When installed, open the program and click the join option. Right hand side you will be asked for the directory where the parts are stored. Selecti it and open the FIRST part (.001) that should show up in the window you just opened. That's all.
If you prefer Winrar files, go to my site where information about all 145 CM Videos are available :-) www.worldplagiates.com
ghostdog210
16-05-08, 16:35
oh i don't know how to join those files together!!
help me ghostdog
Nevermind follow TT's advice. His site has links to useful software u will need to extract files in the "useful Software" section.
Thank you so much ghostdog!
ghostdog210
27-05-08, 18:10
Some mini clips I found on some old CD's:
Prevs:
http://imgplace.com/image_bin/9443/ff8d8a451d45233e568cde79f3c3bfba.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/ff8d8a451d45233e568cde79f3c3bfba) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/1684/f6cdfbdee9d6303e2b4c255a3efa47c6.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/f6cdfbdee9d6303e2b4c255a3efa47c6) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/6071/fe4d5142dcd83d4439758b2c6222fb18.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/fe4d5142dcd83d4439758b2c6222fb18) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/1313/0b918ad01642cd5d2a76ceb4ef0f5ac0.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/0b918ad01642cd5d2a76ceb4ef0f5ac0) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/6715/8cd33ccd57b25155babc05ed28be213c.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/8cd33ccd57b25155babc05ed28be213c) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/7875/e5ac2d9c78165a83e5536f2bd9460787.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/e5ac2d9c78165a83e5536f2bd9460787) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/7098/8b7a5e45a2f70532009f49cb15699d50.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/8b7a5e45a2f70532009f49cb15699d50) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/9510/e8dd340176ea6a42ee349f7f0f94f542.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/e8dd340176ea6a42ee349f7f0f94f542) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/1464/e211027dde29e54d9eb96bce3fda19b7.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/e211027dde29e54d9eb96bce3fda19b7)
Clips:
1. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060613/__AwesomeOutfit_cv63.mpg
2. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060615/Aqua_lingerie_cv65.mpg
3. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060616/Blue_tight_Ass_shorts.mpeg
4. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060618/Boob_slip_2.avi
5. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060619/bula1.mpg
6. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060620/bula1b.mpg
7. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060621/Clip_Pink_bikini_04.mpg
8. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060622/cm-dance1.mpg
9. http://rapidshare.com/files/118060623/cs-dance2.mpg10.
10. http://rapidshare.com/files/116842901/cv_-_Pajama.mpeg
ghostdog210
27-05-08, 18:50
I have tons of clips.
Prevs:
[http://imgplace.com/image_bin/8305/3a1180c64bf214536e529d2258af6035.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/3a1180c64bf214536e529d2258af6035) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4099/73f294314e281167206eb9ccb8e5b19c.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/73f294314e281167206eb9ccb8e5b19c) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4821/f248285e4554cb9eb6cf69ac49675dca.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/f248285e4554cb9eb6cf69ac49675dca) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/7598/2e9f4e26801837453a8dc19ee3f4b5c5.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/2e9f4e26801837453a8dc19ee3f4b5c5) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4767/81019ef4f68b48eb15663c12937a34ab.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/81019ef4f68b48eb15663c12937a34ab) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/1764/53abbaa154df631afee83685d1c605db.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/53abbaa154df631afee83685d1c605db) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4519/c044bef137b2cbb16761adb0e9456bd1.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/c044bef137b2cbb16761adb0e9456bd1) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/2569/6b39aba3bae83fd506e8b2a88923d017.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/6b39aba3bae83fd506e8b2a88923d017) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3309/a009eb4309dea98032238c466f3e1900.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/a009eb4309dea98032238c466f3e1900) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/5681/d176e8f18f9355bfc54435b8ee3449c3.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/d176e8f18f9355bfc54435b8ee3449c3)
Clips:
1. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073265/cv14.mpg
2. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073266/cv15.mpg
3. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073267/cv16.mpg
4. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073268/cv17.mpg
5. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073269/cv18.mpg
6. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073270/cv19.mpg
7. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073271/cv20.mpg
8. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073272/cv21.mpg
9. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073273/cv22.mpg
10. http://rapidshare.com/files/118073274/cv23.mpg
ghostdog210
27-05-08, 21:01
Many More:
Prev:
http://imgplace.com/image_bin/9625/1e97eaf6d5be1b5b6f6b5ade1e7bbb28.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/1e97eaf6d5be1b5b6f6b5ade1e7bbb28) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/5353/64b12074555a41fdcb3263cda92c4b66.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/64b12074555a41fdcb3263cda92c4b66) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/266/2c8fa6b73ae6e91479c37fb333248433.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/2c8fa6b73ae6e91479c37fb333248433) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/1833/9c9baa2e72da9a16656bd7557180f7e1.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/9c9baa2e72da9a16656bd7557180f7e1) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/73/e283e0849ddceaf2acb9725c53d97d1c.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/e283e0849ddceaf2acb9725c53d97d1c) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/18/18c587d56eb06258494f52577c0fbc23.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/18c587d56eb06258494f52577c0fbc23) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4379/e9cddf020d3107f0817cf390048d1fe8.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/e9cddf020d3107f0817cf390048d1fe8) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/5297/3d01690444ea23bbd5ec345db62452ad.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/3d01690444ea23bbd5ec345db62452ad) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3231/a986f6f77fb579d8ac859a9976d209b0.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/a986f6f77fb579d8ac859a9976d209b0) http://imgplace.com/image_bin/458/7689a0d6c872cde44a89bbd224e976d9.jpg.th.jpg (http://img.toob.us/?http://imgplace.com/image/view/7689a0d6c872cde44a89bbd224e976d9)
Vids:
[code]http://rapidshare.com/files/118077600/cv24.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077601/cv25.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077602/cv26.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077603/cv27.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077604/cv28.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077606/cv29.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077607/cv30.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077608/cv31.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077609/cv32.mpg
http://rapidshare.com/files/118077610/cv33.mpg
[.code]
CM07 MEMBER PREVIEW 1 (10 min vid)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EAFNIJTO
i used to try to see the slips but now i love the "bouncing"
CMMEMBER PREVIEW 08
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PIYZEX3Q
tomtom21514
05-06-08, 23:29
CMMEMBER PREVIEW 08
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PIYZEX3Q
full video at www.worldplagiates.com. Feel free to repost it here.
CM MEMBER PREVIEW H09 . . . (for those of us who don't have rapid accts)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WM563B67
ghostdog210
07-07-08, 15:50
No RS acct needed, if names r disguised.
vid:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7d5a101cf914073b49ef618a5 b532c422
Prev:
http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc179/th_67596_h08_123_179lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67596_h08_123_179lo.jpg)
tomtom21514
07-07-08, 16:18
No RS acct needed, if names r disguised.
vid:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7d5a101cf914073b49ef618a5 b532c422
Prev:
For all CMH Vids, including 2 x 30 min CM with missymodel topless in the tub, visit www.worldplagiates.com
ghostdog210
09-07-08, 11:56
I felt free to post it, here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7d5a101cf914073b49ef618a5 b532c422
Prev:
http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc179/th_67596_h08_123_179lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=67596_h08_123_179lo.jpg)
ghostdog210
11-07-08, 16:45
Credit to the original poster labeled here:
here is the halfhour video number 7
please click thumbnail for details.
the video is not 30 minutes long anymore, because I did cut out
the blue "part 2 ... end of part 2" aso. title screens as well as the grey screens
preview
http://img234.imagevenue.com/loc219/th_78967_thumbs20080625034536_123_219lo.jpg (http://img234.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78967_thumbs20080625034536_123_219lo .jpg)
http://rapidshare.com/files/124832177/mem07comp.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/124839241/mem07comp.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/124840266/mem07comp.part3.rar
enjoy :)
ghostdog210
11-07-08, 16:50
I think the right link is here. Here's h_ten:
Vid:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7d5a101cf914073b4c32d26c5 5ce37a67
The same link, but one shows files:confused:. Anybody have a clue?
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7d5a101cf914073b4c32d26c5 5ce37a67
Prev:
http://img101.imagevenue.com/loc492/th_91453_chr10_123_492lo.jpg (http://img101.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=91453_chr10_123_492lo.jpg)
Here's h_ten:
Vid:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7d5a101cf914073b48a86b378 1dd11d2f
Prev:
Am i doing something wrong or is this link not working properly? I get
0 items to display"?
ghostdog210
11-09-08, 17:20
folder:
http://crypt-it.com/s/VMZMRF
Prev:
http://img230.imagevenue.com/loc498/th_47501_00_08_10_123_498lo.JPG (http://img230.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47501_00_08_10_123_498lo.JPG)http://img139.imagevenue.com/loc710/th_47505_00_08_11_123_710lo.JPG (http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47505_00_08_11_123_710lo.JPG)http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc1176/th_47506_00_08_22_123_1176lo.JPG (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47506_00_08_22_123_1176lo.JPG)http://img218.imagevenue.com/loc468/th_47508_00_14_35_123_468lo.JPG (http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47508_00_14_35_123_468lo.JPG)
[URL=http://img211.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47511_cmhd_123_217lo.jpg]http://img211.imagevenue.com/loc217/th_47511_cmhd_123_217lo.jpg
ghostdog210
11-09-08, 18:25
video:
http://crypt-it.com/s/6HEC3W
Prev:
http://img139.imagevenue.com/loc942/th_54148_00_00_03_123_942lo.JPG (http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=54148_00_00_03_123_942lo.JPG)http://img139.imagevenue.com/loc1106/th_54161_00_00_06_123_1106lo.JPG (http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=54161_00_00_06_123_1106lo.JPG)http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc676/th_54166_00_00_13_123_676lo.JPG (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=54166_00_00_13_123_676lo.JPG)http://img158.imagevenue.com/loc1094/th_54176_00_00_16_123_1094lo.JPG (http://img158.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=54176_00_00_16_123_1094lo.JPG)
http://img204.imagevenue.com/loc178/th_54182_cmhd1_123_178lo.jpg (http://img204.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=54182_cmhd1_123_178lo.jpg)
ghostdog210
11-09-08, 18:28
She's going les for money :D . They're asking for guys, and girls :roll: .
Vid:
http://crypt-it.com/s/F4HDYG
Prev:
http://img187.imagevenue.com/loc89/th_68476_-_HD_Test_2_123_89lo.jpg (http://img187.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68476_-_HD_Test_2_123_89lo.jpg)
Reed Rothchild
12-09-08, 00:59
Thanks for all the vidz, Ghostdog!!
ghostdog210
14-09-08, 18:33
Thanks for all the vidz, Ghostdog!!
Sorry, I disappeared for a while, but I try to check back every now and then.:)
ghostdog210
23-09-08, 08:43
Here's the video on MF.
Video:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335caf04e33dd 179fde5b
http://img230.imagevenue.com/loc498/th_47501_00_08_10_123_498lo.JPG (http://img230.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47501_00_08_10_123_498lo.JPG)http://img139.imagevenue.com/loc710/th_47505_00_08_11_123_710lo.JPG (http://img139.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47505_00_08_11_123_710lo.JPG)http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc1176/th_47506_00_08_22_123_1176lo.JPG (http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47506_00_08_22_123_1176lo.JPG)http://img218.imagevenue.com/loc468/th_47508_00_14_35_123_468lo.JPG (http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47508_00_14_35_123_468lo.JPG)
http://img211.imagevenue.com/loc217/th_47511_cmhd_123_217lo.jpg (http://img211.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47511_cmhd_123_217lo.jpg)
ghostdog210
23-09-08, 08:47
Thngs get a lot hotter after the 21:00 mark.;);)
files on MF:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335ca9ee81e44 f7ceaf81
Prev:
http://img9.imagevenue.com/loc611/th_45013_HD-Shower_123_611lo.jpg (http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=45013_HD-Shower_123_611lo.jpg)
RS Mirror:
http://rapidshare.com/files/147248820/HD-Shower.avi.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/147248824/HD-Shower.avi.002
http://rapidshare.com/files/147260016/HD-Shower.avi.003
http://rapidshare.com/files/147260019/HD-Shower.avi.004
Thngs get a lot hotter after the 21:00 mark.;);)
files on MF:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335ca9ee81e44 f7ceaf81
Prev:
RS Mirror:
http://rapidshare.com/files/147248820/HD-Shower.avi.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/147248824/HD-Shower.avi.002
http://rapidshare.com/files/147260016/HD-Shower.avi.003
http://rapidshare.com/files/147260019/HD-Shower.avi.004
Vid doesn't work. Think it's a damaged archive, only extracting to 38 megs. I downloaded from the mediafire links.
to get the vid to extract add a "t" to parts 1 and 4 between the p and the 0 then remove an H from part 3. Then extract and all is good.
ghostdog210
23-09-08, 22:47
to get the vid to extract add a "t" to parts 1 and 4 between the p and the 0 then remove an H from part 3. Then extract and all is good.
Thnx for the info on what was wrong. I checked and fixed them, so the dl should work:):D
ghostdog210
24-09-08, 20:36
RS Files:
http://rapidshare.com/files/148078627/CMh17-P2.wmv.001
http://rapidshare.com/files/148078629/CMh17-P2.wmv.002
http://rapidshare.com/files/148078633/CMh17-P2.wmv.003
http://rapidshare.com/files/148075138/CMh17-P2.wmv.004
Prev:
http://img199.imagevenue.com/loc584/th_80737_h17-2_123_584lo.jpg (http://img199.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=80737_h17-2_123_584lo.jpg)
I hope this works:
MF mirror:
Here's H17 p2:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335ca9d3e676a 362a2d8d
ghostdog210
02-10-08, 22:28
Files on MF:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335cad65b0d09 9021b133
Prev:
http://img224.imagevenue.com/loc534/th_81342_thumbs20081001231756_123_534lo.jpg (http://img224.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=81342_thumbs20081001231756_123_534lo .jpg)
Files on MF:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335cad65b0d09 9021b133
Prev:
superb vid......thanks very, much love christina hd vids,she's a lot better these days....looking forward to part2??1
ghostdog210
04-10-08, 15:01
For those of us that enjoy seeing the new CM:
file:
http://rapidshare.com/files/150774487/cmhd_vidsaps.rar
Prev:
http://img197.imagevenue.com/loc354/th_29003_cm-webcam_525_123_354lo.jpg (http://img197.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29003_cm-webcam_525_123_354lo.jpg)http://img106.imagevenue.com/loc519/th_29009_cm-webcam_9148_123_519lo.jpg (http://img106.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29009_cm-webcam_9148_123_519lo.jpg)http://img216.imagevenue.com/loc260/th_29010_cm-webcam_2488_123_260lo.jpg (http://img216.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29010_cm-webcam_2488_123_260lo.jpg)http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc883/th_29014_cm-webcam_3595_123_883lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29014_cm-webcam_3595_123_883lo.jpg)
http://img219.imagevenue.com/loc102/th_29020_cm-webcam_93148_123_102lo.jpg (http://img219.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=29020_cm-webcam_93148_123_102lo.jpg)
Any videos preview for each of them?
Edit: oops sorry, the pics were loading slowly
ghostdog210
09-10-08, 19:22
I was expecting more for us to see, but... File:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335ca52454be6 72191121
Here is a prev: of the hot vid:
http://img149.imagevenue.com/loc793/th_09462_HD-Swing-1.avi_123_793lo.JPG (http://img149.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09462_HD-Swing-1.avi_123_793lo.JPG)
http://img193.imagevenue.com/loc145/th_09468_HD-Swing-2.avi_123_145lo.JPG (http://img193.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09468_HD-Swing-2.avi_123_145lo.JPG) http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc1190/th_22049_00_11_52_123_1190lo.JPG (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=22049_00_11_52_123_1190lo.JPG) http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc476/th_22055_00_11_54_123_476lo.JPG (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=22055_00_11_54_123_476lo.JPG)
Reed Rothchild
09-10-08, 19:43
Thanks!!!!
ghostdog210
02-11-08, 09:28
I have to rsepect the one-month delay before I post.
I started hating torrents, then I tried P-Bay, it was taking too long. When I went to that folder, there was a torrent dl, so I clicked on it, and it started to dl faster. I copied the magnet, re-dl'ed the torrent, and in less than 2 hours CM was here:
file- on crypt-it with MF:
http://crypt-it.com/s/3LBYRA
Prev:
http://img246.imagevenue.com/loc118/th_17987_HD-Sexy_Dance-1_123_118lo.jpg (http://img246.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17987_HD-Sexy_Dance-1_123_118lo.jpg)
very nice vid ......love the part where she gets changed:duh:....thanks
Thanks all, for the nice Christina Videos!
ghostdog210
02-11-08, 16:06
Sorry, it took a while to share, onmars.
File:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=56d570403fb156d7ab1eab3e9fa335ca52454be6 72191121
Here is a prev: of the hot vid:
http://img149.imagevenue.com/loc793/th_09462_HD-Swing-1.avi_123_793lo.JPG (http://img149.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09462_HD-Swing-1.avi_123_793lo.JPG)
http://img193.imagevenue.com/loc145/th_09468_HD-Swing-2.avi_123_145lo.JPG (http://img193.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=09468_HD-Swing-2.avi_123_145lo.JPG)
ghostdog210
03-02-09, 18:12
I have received many requests about the new location for Worldplagiates. It's been moved here:
http://wp-board.com
The Torrent tracker is amazing. The dl speed was so fast I did not have time to see the speed.
luvbigones
12-05-09, 13:47
Do you have any rapidshare links for picture downloads. I am looking for sets 671 to the latest. Please let me know if you know of a place where I may get these.
Thanks,
luvbigones
My non nude site: http://luvbigones.blogspot.com/
My nude site: http://luvbigonesnudies.blogspot.com/
For all CMH Vids, including 2 x 30 min CM with missymodel topless in the tub, visit www.worldplagiates.com
I'm looking for a classic of hers number nineteen I had it on dvd but the player put a huge scratch on it making it inacessible.
Apocalypsegene
13-05-09, 12:04
I'm looking for a classic of hers number nineteen I had it on dvd but the player put a huge scratch on it making it inacessible.
is this the one? Unfortuntely this is all I have from that set. If anyone else has fills, it would be greatly appreciated.
http://img132.imagevenue.com/loc1072/th_15994_s019-02_123_1072lo.jpg (http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15994_s019-02_123_1072lo.jpg)http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc935/th_15999_s019-03_123_935lo.jpg (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15999_s019-03_123_935lo.jpg)http://img228.imagevenue.com/loc469/th_16000_s019-06_123_469lo.jpg (http://img228.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16000_s019-06_123_469lo.jpg)http://img164.imagevenue.com/loc780/th_16001_s019-07_123_780lo.jpg (http://img164.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16001_s019-07_123_780lo.jpg)
http://img192.imagevenue.com/loc881/th_16006_s019-13_123_881lo.jpg (http://img192.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16006_s019-13_123_881lo.jpg)http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc492/th_16011_s019-16_123_492lo.jpg (http://img181.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16011_s019-16_123_492lo.jpg)http://img232.imagevenue.com/loc362/th_16012_s019-28_123_362lo.jpg (http://img232.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16012_s019-28_123_362lo.jpg)http://img147.imagevenue.com/loc766/th_16013_s019-33_123_766lo.jpg (http://img147.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16013_s019-33_123_766lo.jpg)
Here is a video clip of the one I'm looking for.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BYUGK6VZ
Apocalypsegene
13-05-09, 23:03
Here is a video clip of the one I'm looking for.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BYUGK6VZ
OOps. Sorry, I thought you meant pic set 019.
ghostdog210
12-06-09, 22:50
:eek:I've received messages, but am not sure to enter my email since they sent to the right addy.:(
I don't know.. Some funky shit is going on...
I know it's against the rules to mention other sites and stuff, but wp-board aka world plagiates, recently got raided, and now their default page is a page asking for the email address and username so people can be notified when it's back, but the actual guy that runs it - TOM - sent out emails to members saying it was raided and not to put your info in there, that they didn't get the user database, etc.... They were HUGE on CM content.
I don't know why they would get raided though... I went there for some posts on phil-flashes hoes and some NDN posts when they were up, and as far as I know, they weren't dealing in CP on that site... I thought only sites with CP and other sick kiddie shit got raided, not sites just posting ripped off web porn of 18+ models...
Who knows...........
TomTom sent me a message also saying that it is a phishing site set up by the people that took the site.Don't give them any info!!
I was told by another member it wasn't police that "raided" it but some old douchebag website owner from trueteens that went to jail before for cp.He is the person listed as owning all the domains of WP on whois.
tomtom21514
12-06-09, 23:17
:eek:I've received messages, but am not sure to enter my email since they sent to the right addy.:(
Don't do it
tomtom
ghostdog210
12-06-09, 23:24
Don't do it
tomtom
Do uhthn new URL?
tomtom21514
12-06-09, 23:31
The WP Board domains have been stolen, Platoon has been raided. No userdata have been handed out, so they try to fish them. As far as I know the trueteebabes admin is behind that. We have taken the board down for everyone security
tomtom
tomtom21514
12-06-09, 23:32
There has been made no decission if or when the board will be reinstalled.
tomtom21514
12-06-09, 23:33
After 2 days without any sleep, I am off for today, so any questions will be answered ion 8-10 hours from now, not earlier
tomtom21514
12-06-09, 23:34
TomTom sent me a message also saying that it is a phishing site set up by the people that took the site.Don't give them any info!!
I was told by another member it wasn't police that "raided" it but some old douchebag website owner from trueteens that went to jail before for cp.He is the person listed as owning all the domains of WP on whois.
I have had a discussion with this boards admin. I am sure he has nothing against a little help for us, I chat with him via ICQ frequently
I have had a discussion with this boards admin. I am sure he has nothing against a little help for us, I chat with him via ICQ frequently
Good to hear.At least there will be a place for the WP people.:)
ghostdog210
12-06-09, 23:59
After 2 days without any sleep, I am off for today, so any questions will be answered ion 8-10 hours from now, not earlier
2 days? Take 16 hours.
I entered my data before I got TT's warning.
Bad huh? :confused:
They're going to come get you and haul you off to a private prison where you'll be forced to watch endless reruns of Blue Eyed Cass and Bratty Brittany's boring webcam shows.
ghostdog210
13-06-09, 02:16
They're going to come get you and haul you off to a private prison where you'll be forced to watch endless reruns of Blue Eyed Cass and Bratty Brittany's boring webcam shows.
Worse, they could be interrogated by CM. We'd all go downhill.
aaronmb316
13-06-09, 03:01
I checked the site again and the fake thing is off, its a 404 not found thing.
"The Empire strike's back." :eek:
Hey, I got 'phished' :cry: hahahaha Now where am I gonna post all my 'legitemately' obtained shit dammit? ;) Jokes aside, good luck.
Wrote' a song about it :confused:
"Camdur is the name, and I served on many a 'ripping' train.
The traitors allway's come and sell us out again.
Now, i don't mind posting as I should.
Even though the pay is no good.
I take what I need and leave the rest.
But,they never should taken the very best.
The night they drove WP down.
The members were saying,
????????? Wha-wha-WTF????????????"
:cool:
ok what about the "Promotion scheme" I put my data in but didnt get a response? I am screwed?
tomtom21514
13-06-09, 05:27
ok what about the "Promotion scheme" I put my data in but didnt get a response? I am screwed?
Noone is screwed, as long as the board is down. Names and addresses without posts are useless for them. Keep in mind that they did not have the database (that's why they need the phishing!) They hit us hard, but they are not half as clever as they think. Had they talked less after they "kidnapped" Platoon, situation could have been much worse. Platoon tried to get server info from me and Moe, but he only got a limited FTP access with no access to the board. It was too obvious he was forced to ask.
Loosing the site was nothing unexpected for me - such things happen every day. Loosing a good friend realy feels bad.
Names and addresses without posts are useless for them. Keep in mind that they did not have the database (that's why they need the phishing!)
So if we've been phished could there be any repurcussions for us? Or, as you said, without seeing what we've posted, they have nothing more than a user name and an e-mail address?
Hey guys, there is a thought out there and sorry to say it (it is not coming from me) that Platoon is not who he says he really is. Now I do not know him like others so I can't even make heads or tails of that comment. I would not be too worried about giving you email since he is looking for posters (I would imagine) of it content. Going forward you guys need some basic tools to help you figure out if the site is legit or not.
Hi all :)
tomtom21514
13-06-09, 14:18
Platoon is member No3 on WP, October 2007. Forget these speculation.
Hey guys, there is a thought out there and sorry to say it (it is not coming from me) that Platoon is not who he says he really is. Now I do not know him like others so I can't even make heads or tails of that comment. I would not be too worried about giving you email since he is looking for posters (I would imagine) of it content. Going forward you guys need some basic tools to help you figure out if the site is legit or not.
Hi all :)
tomtom21514
13-06-09, 14:19
I wanted to let you all know that we set up an information/discussion page for all. It will be up later today, I keep you informed
..................................
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[xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hey Pat:
Glad to see you are still around. Jimmy was mentioning your nym as well as some personal info on WP just before it went down. Did you get any heat over this?
No, nothing happened
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xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thats good. I guess you saw Jimmy's statement here http://worldplagiates.com/
Looks like Charles made it to the new baord already, your previews are down...sheesh. These fucking webmaster are getting fanatical.
Holy crap the pics ARE gone already....jeez. They were free preview pics. Not member pics, not paid for content....FREE!!!
And as far as Grady. I'm not included in his attack because I never posted any of his stuff......hell I never even downloaded it. I think the reason he posted my email address in his original rant was just totaly random. He was sitting with platoons access and just picked out a couple people who he saw online posting at the time and I was one of them.
Pretty crappy thing to do, as I never did anything to him. But apparently he didn't care about that, he was in full I'm going to try and scare everyone mode
Holy crap the pics ARE gone already....jeez. They were free preview pics. Not member pics, not paid for content....FREE!!!
And as far as Grady. I'm not included in his attack because I never posted any of his stuff......hell I never even downloaded it. I think the reason he posted my email address in his original rant was just totaly random. He was sitting with platoons access and just picked out a couple people who he saw online posting at the time and I was one of them.
Pretty crappy thing to do, as I never did anything to him. But apparently he didn't care about that, he was in full I'm going to try and scare everyone mode
can't you link directly to their website?
I am not proud ,but the last post on WP before it went down was mine,calling this guy out for going to jail on cp charges after the person tinamd2525 said his name and I found it on google about him,by the way a google search of that nick leads back to a Tina M. Dutey,who has posted teen model sites on Yahoo and made personal ads with her real name with that nick..She must be a friend of his as she is a woman in her 40's according to public records.I guess he pulled the plug when he didn't get the reaction he wanted from folks groveling,begging,etc.
I never uploaded or downloaded ANYTHING of his on WP or anywhere.To each his own,but honestly I wouldn't go on his site even if he was offering it free.
He beat the cp charges on technicality,but he is a convicted petty thief-bad checks and by the looks of him,and old hard up creep.
I bought and received a t-shirt,what right does that bitch have to say she will post my name on there? So there is hers.
I am not proud ,but the last post on WP before it went down was mine,calling this guy out for going to jail on cp charges after the person tinamd2525 said his name and I found it on google about him,by the way a google search of that nick leads back to a Tina M. Dutey,who has posted teen model sites on Yahoo and made personal ads with her real name with that nick..She must be a friend of his as she is a woman in her 40's according to public records.I guess he pulled the plug when he didn't get the reaction he wanted from folks groveling,begging,etc.
I never uploaded or downloaded ANYTHING of his on WP or anywhere.To each his own,but honestly I wouldn't go on his site even if he was offering it free.
He beat the cp charges on technicality,but he is a convicted petty thief-bad checks and by the looks of him,and old hard up creep.
If ever the saying a fool and his money soon part ,it is this scumbag,his shyster lawyers must have seen this fool coming a mile away.
hhhmmmm interesting conversation...:rolleyes: http://s5b.directupload.net/images/090615/aa5taugz.gif (http://www.directupload.net)
Yikes - pretty interesting story though.
Just wanted to say thanks to TT for the time we managed to have on the board; I really appreciated it. Oh, and it's nice to see a few familiar faces here! Also, perhaps now TomTom knows why I was reluctant to buy a shirt... :-(
ALL kind of stupid shit went down. Who the hell would place a server like that in the USA ? "pLATOON" sung like a Canary, I told you all sumn' bad would happen if things kept on this way, but my thread was removed :(, good luck to all except those who recklessly put their members at risk, the owner, now everyone on that forum got 'punked' :(, suck's ass.
Why is everyone who should know better keeping quiet? I was the only one willing to say anything about what was going on in that forum, are you motherfuckers crazy? This loudmouth with no skills or experience in this game, probaly spanking it to some shemale shit right now, fucked everbody up.
This is reality, lot's of people are gonna end up spending a lot of money, you willing to lose everything cause nobody would stand up to that freak, except me? I have never even seen one of that idiot grady/smady's files, WTF??
'PLATOON'? SECOND BIGGEST PUSSY EVER, you wanna play 'pirate' but when shit goes down you turn everything over, huh?
You know who the biggest pussy is right? He's in Germany probaly getting fucked up the ass by a dozen shemales while all his fucking victims, including me, unfortuanately have to live with this shit, fuck him..........
I aplogise to the ADM here for using your forum for this rant, someone had to say it, remove if you deem fit, good luck.
Sorry for continuing what seems to be an off topic conversation in this thread. Some ideas came to mind about the current situation and I couldn't find anywhere else to post it on this forum. Obviously a lot of WP folks are visiting now that TT referenced this site in his (final?) post.
Anyone who is in the business of producing digital media these days (e.g.: movies, pictures, music, etc.) has got to be frustrated when their works are passed around so readily by those who don't pay for them. I understand why James Grady is angry, though I'm personally not a fan or supporter of his work. (From what I've seen on Usenet and his site, the make-up makes the girls look plastic, the posing is bland and rigid and, most importantly, many of the girls are *way* under age.) However, I can't help but feel like his crusade against those sharing his material on the WP board is doomed to fail just like the lawsuits against him did years ago. Here's why:
Evidence Obtained Illegally - If I recall correctly, the administrators of the WP board promised that user information would not be given away or sold. Since money changed hands when Grady gave money to Platoon as part of the settlement, that could be construed as a "sale" and a breach of a verbal contract between the WP adminstrators and their users. Also, as many have already mentioned, the fact that Grady was threatening Platoon when requesting this information and only gave him 2 hours to comply could be construed as extortion.
Evidence Improperly Maintained - It's one thing for evidence to be gathered by a law enforcement agency and maintained in a documented "chain of evidence" by unbiased parties, but it's entirely another for the plantiff to gather it and keep it his possession without any supervision or control. IT Forensics is a big deal these days because computer data is so malleable and it requires very specific procedures to enable successful litigation, such as an employeer firing an employee for having porn on his system. Since Grady has already indicated that his primary objective is to make examples out of some people, a defense attorney could raise significant doubt as to whether Grady had manufactured some of the DB data just to suit his purposes, especially since PatSox has already mentioned that he was the target of one of Grady's comments even though he had nothing to do with the TTB materials.
Lack of a "Smoking Gun" - From what I understand, the WP database doesn't actually contain any materials that violated copyrights (excpet perhaps some avatars and banners). If the WP DB contains only links to files on sites like RapidShare, then I would guess that the lawsuit would require a copy of the RS database rather than just the testimony from Grady, his friends and his paid detectives saying that, "Yeah, I clicked on the link and got these pictures." Most of the defendants have probably already deleted the offending files from their RS accounts and, by the time that the suit comes to trial, their accounts will have lapsed and been deleted entirely. The defendants might also claim that they were simply sharing an existing link already available elsewhere on the web or even that they have an improperly secured wireless network that is being exploited by someone in their neighborhood. These are very hard to disprove without actually having the hard drives of those being sued.
Inability to Prove Harm - Yes, distributing copyrighted media without consent is illegal. No one is going to argue that. However, even if a defendant is convicted of breaking the law, juries usually consider the amount of harm done to the plantiff when deciding how much restitution must be paid. Grady claims that "Over the last 18 months these sites, the administrators of them, the file contributing visitors and the t-shirt buying financial supporters, have done great damage to myself and many, many other small business persons world wide. The illegal posting of our content has caused many sites to closed, revenues to drop as much as 60%, and people to be laid off."
Grady seems to assume that the horrible economy and the record number of people who have lost their jobs have nothing to do with the drop in his business.
Even in a good economy, it's very difficult to prove that illegal file sharing sites cause the source site to lose significant revenue because it's not reasonable to assume that every person downloading the material would have paid for it if it weren't free. God knows I've eaten and drank a lot of free food and alcohol at conferences and catered meetings that I would have left alone if I'd had to pay for it (and would have been better off if I had).
Illegal file sharing can also act as free advertising. I can personally say that media on Usenet and file sharing sites like WP have made me aware of NN sites like World Products' and, a result, I have spent well over $1000 at sites like Missy's and Shannon's that I would have otherwise not spent. It's common knowledge that junkies get addicted because someone gives them the first two or three samples for free.
Please note that these comments are not a defense of illegal file sharing, only an attempt to point out some factors that must be considered when attempting to estimate its financial impact.
The charges against Grady in 2002 were dismissed because the prosecution was trying to prove he was "sexually exploiting" his models, which they clearly didn't have evidence to back up. However, even without a conviction, the nature of his business puts him at a severe disadvantage if any of this comes to a jury trial. I doubt a jury is going to see a man who dresses up 13 year old girls in lingerie and skimpy daisy dukes and say, "That poor man! How dare those nasty pirates interfere with him selling pictures of jail bait ass." (Well, maybe in Arkansas. ;) ) As Sicilian mentioned earlier in this thread, the lawyers and detectives are probably the only ones who will come out ahead on this.
Feel free to ignore this entire post because I'm not a lawyer, I only play one in my bedroom when I'm making stupid jokes about my briefs. :rolleyes:
Sorry for continuing what seems to be an off topic conversation in this thread. Some ideas came to mind about the current situation and I couldn't find anywhere else to post it on this forum. Obviously a lot of WP folks are visiting now that TT referenced this site in his (final?) post.
Anyone who is in the business of producing digital media these days (e.g.: movies, pictures, music, etc.) has got to be frustrated when their works are passed around so readily by those who don't pay for them. I understand why James Grady is angry, though I'm personally not a fan or supporter of his work. (From what I've seen on Usenet and his site, the make-up makes the girls look plastic, the posing is bland and rigid and, most importantly, many of the girls are *way* under age.) However, I can't help but feel like his crusade against those sharing his material on the WP board is doomed to fail just like the lawsuits against him did years ago. Here's why:
Evidence Obtained Illegally - If I recall correctly, the administrators of the WP board promised that user information would not be given away or sold. Since money changed hands when Grady gave money to Platoon as part of the settlement, that could be construed as a "sale" and a breach of a verbal contract between the WP adminstrators and their users. Also, as many have already mentioned, the fact that Grady was threatening Platoon when requesting this information and only gave him 2 hours to comply could be construed as extortion.
Evidence Improperly Maintained - It's one thing for evidence to be gathered by a law enforcement agency and maintained in a documented "chain of evidence" by unbiased parties, but it's entirely another for the plantiff to gather it and keep it his possession without any supervision or control. IT Forensics is a big deal these days because computer data is so malleable and it requires very specific procedures to enable successful litigation, such as an employeer firing an employee for having porn on his system. Since Grady has already indicated that his primary objective is to make examples out of some people, a defense attorney could raise significant doubt as to whether Grady had manufactured some of the DB data just to suit his purposes, especially since PatSox has already mentioned that he was the target of one of Grady's comments even though he had nothing to do with the TTB materials.
Lack of "Smoking Gun" - From what I understand, the WP database doesn't actually contain any materials that violated copyrights (excpet perhaps some avatars and banners). If the WP DB contains only links to files on sites like RapidShare, then I would guess that the lawsuit would require a copy of the RS database rather than just the testimony from Grady, his friends and his paid detectives saying that, "Yeah, I clicked on the link and got these pictures." Most of the defendants have probably already deleted the offending files from their RS accounts and, by the time that the suit comes to trial, their accounts will have lapsed and been deleted entirely. The defendants might also claim that they were simply sharing an existing link already available elsewhere on the web or even that they have an improperly secured wireless network that is being exploited by someone in their neighborhood. These are very hard to disprove without actually having the hard drives of those being sued.
Inability to Prove Harm - Yes, distributing copyrighted media without consent is illegal. No one is going to argue that. However, Grady claims that "Over the last 18 months these sites, the administrators of them, the file contributing visitors and the t-shirt buying financial supporters, have done great damage to myself and many, many other small business persons world wide. The illegal posting of our content has caused many sites to closed, revenues to drop as much as 60%, and people to be laid off." Grady seems to assume that the horrible economy and the record number of people who have lost their jobs have nothing to do with the drop in his business. Furthermore, even in a good economy, there is no substantial evidence to prove that the presence of this type of material on illegal sharing sites causes a loss in revenue to the source site because illegal sharing can also act as free advertising. I can personally say that media on Usenet and file sharing sites like WP has made me aware of NN sites like World Product's and as a result I have spent well over $1000 at sites like Christina's, Missy's, Shannon's, Gabrielle's, etc. which I would have not otherwise spent.
The charges against Grady in 2002 were dismissed because the prosecution was trying to prove he was "sexually exploiting" his models, which they clearly didn't have evidence to back up. However, even without a conviction, the nature of his business puts him at a severe disadvantage if any of this comes to a jury trial. I doubt a jury is going to see a man who dresses up 13 year old girls in lingerie and skimpy daisy dukes and say, "That poor man! How dare those nasty pirates interfere with him selling pictures of jail bait ass." (Well, maybe in Arkansas. ;) ) As Sicilian mentioned earlier in this thread, the lawyers and detectives are probably the only ones who will come out ahead on this.
Feel free to ignore this entire post because I'm not a lawyer, I only play one in my bedroom when I'm making stupid jokes about my briefs. :rolleyes:
You are right.It is poetic justice that this moron Grady is going to spend all his ill-gotten gains on making lawyers and PI's rich.
I predict he will either give up or go broke.Even if he sues these people NO jury will have any sympathy.They won't care for the "pirates" either,but they will most likely view it as the lesser of two evils and hope that it will run him out of business.:D
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 01:09
Mister Drake,
I hope you guys don't mind that I come reply here just a bit.
It seems there is a series of major misunderstandings and misinformation here.
I'll start back with the 2002 case involving TrueTeenBabes. Somebody tried to say I won on a technicality, which is false. I won that case simply because the TTB photos then and now do not violate the law on the books. Its no different than any other case. If you didn't violate the law you are not guilty. This wasn't some technical deal at all, there was a full jury of 14 (2 alternates) in the box for over a week. The case wasn't even close.
I am typing this in my Colorado office. Same county, same state, and still in business years later.
Those that want to know the WHOLE story, not just tidbits that my haters post, can review is here:
http://www.westword.com/2003-08-14/news/a-model-prisoner/full
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/technology/2401277/detail.html
In case you don't want to take the time to read that 5000 word story, here is a tiny tidbit.
In examining how this massive child-porn ring evaporated into thin air, one thing stands out: how little law-enforcement authorities understood the law. A review of court documents, as well as interviews with legal experts and participants in the case, shows that cops and prosecutors had far more than their share of misinterpretations, misunderstandings and flat-out mistakes. Some may have been intentional.
"They jumped in with both feet, without knowing what they were getting into," says Andrew Contiguglia, one of Grady's lawyers. "They didn't understand the law, and they didn't understand the facts."
When all was said and done, James Grady understood the law better than anyone. Today, despite the fact that he spent a year in jail and lost tens of thousands of dollars of equipment in the police raid, his Web site is back up and running. And it's displaying the exact same photographs that landed him in jail and on the evening news.
In this case some posters are just like those foolish police. They don’t understand the laws and jumped in posting my stuff without knowing what you were getting into.
Finding out who the guys are is the relatively easy part. That board ran as a club -- someguys would log into my site and refresh member's home page for an hour or more hoping to be the first to post my newest content at the old WP.
DMCA subpoena issued to a host in the USA (Florida) gave us logs and data. That was used to narrow down IP addresses.
Next I worked with other webmasters that have their stuff posted BY THE SAME WP USER. We start comparing our membership rolls and narrow it down to a few suspects. In one time frame the poster at WP had to be a member of my 3 sites, one site from another guy and still at another guy's another site. Thats five sites at the same time.... We simply compare records and come down to one suspect.
Once we had it narrowed down to just one suspect I still wanted to run a few tests. It was easy. One update night I would create the entire update and remove everybody but him from the password file.
That update would include one or two photos with special markings or hidden stuff. To insure we had a neutral party to testify should the case come to trial we did this stuff while being watched by a law student from Stetson University in St. Petersburg, Florida. She just took notes and watched.
I would post the update, wait until he logged in, then a few minutes later see it posted at WP-Board.com. Because, as she’ll testify, only he had access to the “marked” photos, she would then visit WP-Board.com and download from his posting / link for free. Next she checks for the markings and BINGO, its him! Busted.
I then post the unmarked version of the same photos and restore all passwords. I lock him out, run the same test the next week, or even an hour later, with another suspect and bust him. In Colorado (during June) the witness is different, but the method is the same. Honestly I don’t expect any of the busted posters to fight the case. They’ll settle, fail to show for court (resulting in a Default Judgement in my favor) or if stupid, lose at trial and owe me big time.
Thats it. Thats just ONE of many ways we know who IDigit is, DenshaMan is, Zabalokis is, etc.
There are others, but I'll keep them to myself to use in the future.
Other mis-information.
Platoon was not raided or attacked or threatened. It was very casual.
I had rock solid proof. He could be sued, and his wife would leave him. I was at the hotel watching TV when he called to settle -- which is exactly what each of you would have done in the same situation.
There is no "PHISHING". At the time I put up the email collection form I OWNED the WP sites (having accepted Platoon's offer to buy them) and have the full right to collect emails from people that want to visit when they reopen. Period. TT never owned that stuff, he puts everything in other peoples names so he can hide, end of story.
All that crap about bad evidence is just fantasy. I was sold the sites. I was given the t-shirt site records as part of a properly structured pre-trial lawsuit settlement, like happens every day of the week.
Lastly, if people didn't post my stuff (and don't in the future), they will not be hearing from me. I'm only going after those that posted my stuff.
I can't talk about what other site owners are hoping to do. I've received TONS of emails from them, but none have asked to visit my office and review all the records.
Now, lastly -- I'm too busy to reply here often. If people doupt me, thats fine. I can just continue to post copies of files and logs and caps and other stuff if you like (and you can hope your name isn't included).
Some posters selected the wrong guy to steal from. If you have paid any attention to my history you know I stood up to the entire law enforcement community in Colorado defending TrueTeenBabes and won. They didn’t scare me away by raiding my place with guns drawn, and they didn’t run me out of nerve or money or guts by spending over $500,000 of taxpayer money trying to shut down TrueTeenBabes.com in the courts.
Simple lawsuits are easy to handle.
FACT: TWO of the first three persons that have been served papers since Friday have contacted us already offering, or agreeing, to settle for $25,000 or more!
In a previous post somebody said no jury would want to support TTB over a guy that posted the pics. You have that wrong.... Models like Crystal Milano, Kelsey Monroe, Jessica Winston and others all work on commission. Do you really think a jury will side with a defendant once a teen model is on the stand telling them how her income went down 60% or more once the defendant started posting?
Posters steal and it will be super easy to make that point to the jury.
Those that say the lawyers will eat up the money are just silly. My lawyers love this stuff. I improve their bottom line and mine at the same time. I've never lost a copyright suit. Copyright law, and Section 504(c)(2) therein, calls for all attorney’s fee, fines, and costs related to said action to be paid by the Defendant.
Just know that the house in Florida was paid for (in ONE PAYMENT, no mortage) entirely with funds from lawsuits settlements loosely related to the 2002 TTB case. http://www.lifestylesphoto.com/jsghouse.html
As for all those people talking about my criminal past. Yep, bad check. The case number was 82cr1448 in Colorado. the "82" part of that means it was in 1982 when i was 23 years old. I'm 50 now and thats long past. Anybody that has to bring that up in this discussion, or even the 2002 TTB case, simply has nothing relevant to say and is desperately looking for something to distract from the current situation.
I can't come back -- thanks for your time. Feel free to email me at staff@groupfivephotosports.com for honest and direct discussion.
James Grady
You never went in front of a jury.Try that sometime and see what happens,you'll be the "little girl" to Bubba quick and you know that.You think the average Joe or Jane approves of your stuff, Legal or not, and wouldn't have convicted your ass in a second flat if given the oppurtunity?
Anyone who pays you a cent based on any of this is a fool.Go in front of a civil jury and show them your pics of little 13 yr. olds dressed like streetwalkers and whine that your "profits" and "business" are at risk,and see what sympathy you garner.I would bet most on that jury would be very happy to hear it and would probably wouldn't mind someone putting you out of business by any means.Once it goes to a jury,the law does not matter,they can and will,do whatever they want.It's called jury nullification and it happens all the time and this seems to be a case,if ever there was one,where it would.
Good Luck,you'll need it.
Your lawyers and the PI's must be loving this,probably already ordered new beamers.
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 02:52
Its a shame you guys keep lying in here. Both of you that followed my post say I didn't face a jury, or that a jury would dissapprove of my work. I already told you THERE WAS A JURY.
Here, read about THE JURY at the local news TV station website
Jury Reaches Verdict In James Grady Case
True Teen Babes Site Operator Found Not Guilty
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/2038535/detail.html
JURY JURY JURY.........
Get over yourselves. There was a jury, they laughed at the police.
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i seriously doubt they laughed at the police. only kiddie touchers like yourself do that. ill guarantee that every last one of them wanted to watch you burn but since the law allows for this disgusting behavior, they could not.
and after seeing your picture, id keep my child as far as i could from you
"only kiddie touchers like yourself do that." This could land you in court Mr. armchair lawyer. I would recommend you keep your comments private.
I worry a little bit about James though. Posting all his personal information and even pictures of his houses, seems like some of these angry mean pirates he is fighting might do something nasty in the future. Pirates do nasty things ya know.
Another armchair lawyer speaks and this statement could land you in court as well. Don't believe me? Do some research and you'll see we are suing lots of folks, such as yourself, and they can stand before a jury and explain their actions. Btw.. we are not connected to what is currently going on at WP but I applaud his actions.
Another armchair lawyer speaks and this statement could land you in court as well. Don't believe me? Do some research and you'll see we are suing lots of folks, such as yourself, and they can stand before a jury and explain their actions. Btw.. we are not connected to what is currently going on at WP but I applaud his actions.
James Grady is a bald,douchebag,pedo, convicted thief,in my book.I'll take my armchair and stick in your ass.I'd love to explain to a jury why I dislike folks who buy 13 year old girls to create cp.
Now What,BIOTCH!! lol.:finger::D
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:17
You never went in front of a jury.Try that sometime and see what happens,you'll be the "little girl" to Bubba quick and you know that.You think the average Joe or Jane approves of your stuff, Legal or not, and wouldn't have convicted your ass in a second flat if given the oppurtunity?
Anyone who pays you a cent based on any of this is a fool.Go in front of a civil jury and show them your pics of little 13 yr. olds dressed like streetwalkers and whine that your "profits" and "business" are at risk,and see what sympathy you garner.I would bet most on that jury would be very happy to hear it and would probably wouldn't mind someone putting you out of business by any means.Once it goes to a jury,the law does not matter,they can and will,do whatever they want.It's called jury nullification and it happens all the time and this seems to be a case,if ever there was one,where it would.
Good Luck,you'll need it.
Your lawyers and the PI's must be loving this,probably already ordered new beamers.
Look who's talking? A man who spends all his spare time illegally posting all sorts of porn on a message board, while sitting in his blind-drawn, darkened bedroom!! You pathetic fuck. What kind of sympathy would you garner in a court of law?? You don't know jack shit!
You are a violator of copyrighted material. There are very clear and concise penalties for such activities. Those who have broken copyright law over at WP-Board will eventually face justice as the logs are further scrutinized. The very lawyers you mock now may be your best friends in the future.
Another armchair lawyer speaks and this statement could land you in court as well. Don't believe me? Do some research and you'll see we are suing lots of folks, such as yourself, and they can stand before a jury and explain their actions. Btw.. we are not connected to what is currently going on at WP but I applaud his actions.
Sure you aren't connected.Want to distance yourself from the cp,huh.I hope this bald pedos crap is distributed by every other pedo in the world.Let them destroy each other.:finger:
Get a life.
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 04:21
LaMO,
Thanks for participating.
Again, like those posting just above you, you have it all wrong.
Platoon sold me the websites on the 10th of June, late in the afternoon. Not weeks as you claim. You just don't know what you are typing about.
Charles knows all about this. He was in the loop on my investigations of WP since February. He was informed of the flight to Ohio the day before, and has been in the loop all along.
Cease and Desist is totally proper. I've been in the pretty girl picture business 24 years and have never lost a copyright lawsuit.
You mention fair warning. Each of the persons being hit with the C & D was warned at least once, and in some cases time after time after time. Michael Henry even said as much in a WP Post -- clearly stating on October 3, 2008 that he had heard from me and been banned from a site of mine.
One guy got three warnings on the same day and told me that he could do what he wanted as long as it was on the server in Turkey, which of course is wrong.
A dozen or more webmasters knew of the plan in advance, and another dozen or so have been calling and asking for copies of records all weekend.
I have also been contacted by the FBI office in Arizona ( michael.boady@ic.fbi.gov ) and Internationally ( s.telladogonzalez@interpol.int ).
You simply have it wrong. thats it. I've been here, done this, and have experience you don't have.
For it to be "slander and libel" what I say has to be a lie.... guess what, it isn't. No lies, none.... I have all those guys down rock solid, and more if I want to take the time.
Keyboard Tough Guys are just that -- Keyboard Tough Guys.... I'll make you a little challenge. You pick the guy that I'm going after and I'll give you his contact info. Then you tell him you are smarter than me and will help him out. If he takes YOUR ADVICE and WINS in a court against me I'll pay you $50,000.00
Thats it -- take the offer. Select just ONE of the persons on my list and advise them on into trial and if they win, $50,000.00 FOR YOU!
James
LaMO,
Thanks for participating.
Again, like those posting just above you, you have it all wrong.
Platoon sold me the websites on the 10th of June, late in the afternoon. Not weeks as you claim. You just don't know what you are typing about.
Charles knows all about this. He was in the loop on my investigations of WP since February. He was informed of the flight to Ohio the day before, and has been in the loop all along.
Cease and Desist is totally proper. I've been in the pretty girl picture business 24 years and have never lost a copyright lawsuit.
You mention fair warning. Each of the persons being hit with the C & D was warned at least once, and in some cases time after time after time. Michael Henry even said as much in a WP Post -- clearly stating on October 3, 2008 that he had heard from me and been banned from a site of mine.
One guy got three warnings on the same day and told me that he could do what he wanted as long as it was on the server in Turkey, which of course is wrong.
A dozen or more webmasters knew of the plan in advance, and another dozen or so have been calling and asking for copies of records all weekend.
I have also been contacted by the FBI office in Arizona ( michael.boady@ic.fbi.gov ) and Internationally ( s.telladogonzalez@interpol.int ).
You simply have it wrong. thats it. I've been here, done this, and have experience you don't have.
For it to be "slander and libel" what I say has to be a lie.... guess what, it isn't. No lies, none.... I have all those guys down rock solid, and more if I want to take the time.
Keyboard Tough Guys are just that -- Keyboard Tough Guys.... I'll make you a little challenge. You pick the guy that I'm going after and I'll give you his contact info. Then you tell him you are smarter than me and will help him out. If he takes YOUR ADVICE and WINS in a court against me I'll pay you $50,000.00
Thats it -- take the offer. Select just ONE of the persons on my list and advise them on into trial and if they win, $50,000.00 FOR YOU!
James
You are a sick fuck.I hope when you finally get caught for touching one of those kids you bought from their trailer trash families in Pinellas County,yeah over by your place in Dunedin and your office off Ulmerton [conveinant to the trailer parks].That you get some nice dick in your ass.
Nobody is afraid of you and your two bit guinea wop smut lawyers,freedom of speech you pedo punk.You are an angry little bald man who mommy and daddy didn't want.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:28
James seems to be asking a fair settlement of $3.9 million from each poster. A mere pittance. Maybe we can pass the hat, or maybe TT has a little bit left in the Tee Shirt fund since he won't be needing it for servers or content in the future.
I worry a little bit about James though. Posting all his personal information and even pictures of his houses, seems like some of these angry mean pirates he is fighting might do something nasty in the future. Pirates do nasty things ya know.
I have often found that what goes around comes around, and you never know where, or you never know when, but you will know why.
Maybe James has made his point and in the future can simply warn people to stop posting his stuff without sneaking up and trying to make his mortgage payments with zero warning law suits. The "cease and desists" seem weak when they are delivered days before pre made lawsuits go out and AFTER James already owned the board and could have easily removed said content. Can you spell entrapment?
I think a case of not fair warning, along with extortion of Paltoon, as well as infringement of customer records which he purchased, as well as counter lawsuits of slander and libel posting people's personal information on HIS website without a conviction of guilt, seems to be some very questionable legal ethics.
I wonder with James being the leagl owner on record of WP for at least a few weeks, he might not be held liabel by Charles and other webmasters for ALL their stuff posted on HIS website for weeks. Charles could get a few million for Christina from James using the same method and open admissions of ownership here and elsewhere. I wonder how much revenue Charles lost while James was owner operator offically of WP?
I wonder how James feels about the same tactics used back on him?
You need to go back to law school... Just a joke since it's very clear you never went to one in the first place.
This quote in interesting: " Pirates do nasty things ya know... I have often found that what goes around comes around, and you never know where, or you never know when, but you will know why." Are you threatening James Grady? Sure looks like it to me. You just like to dig the hole a little deeper don't you.
You are right about one thing. There are a lot of sick fucks out there. I will remain WebmasterX. These message boards hurt a LOT of webmasters. It's time we banded together and that's exactly what's happening.
I also happen to know that you are "Duke", or rather, Duke of Earl... Whatever. You are a MAJOR illegal poster and you need to learn what happens to copyright violators (through the courts, of course). The info that was taken from the logs at WP-Board will eventually reveal exactly who you are. Something, alot of people are interested in knowing. I doubt you'll be so cocky then.
Not that it made any sense, but you don't have to worry about Charles suing James. From what I understand, he couldn't be more pleased. lol
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:32
I never uploaded or downloaded ANYTHING of his on WP or anywhere.To each his own,but honestly I wouldn't go on his site even if he was offering it free.
But, you did illegally post the material of other photographers, and those are the people who will sue you for copyright infringement. I can guarantee you won't be talking so much shit when you get a cease and desist order.
You need to go back to law school... Just a joke since it's very clear you never went to one in the first place.
This quote in interesting: " Pirates do nasty things ya know... I have often found that what goes around comes around, and you never know where, or you never know when, but you will know why." Are you threatening James Grady? Sure looks like it to me. You just like to dig the hole a little deeper don't you.
You are right about one thing. There are a lot of sick fucks out there. I will remain WebmasterX. These message boards hurt a LOT of webmasters. It's time we banded together and that's exactly what's happening.
I also happen to know that you are "Duke", or rather, Duke of Earl... Whatever. You are a MAJOR illegal poster and you need to learn what happens to copyright violators (through the courts, of course). The info that was taken from the logs at WP-Board will eventually reveal exactly who you are. Something, alot of people are interested in knowing. I doubt you'll be so cocky then.
Not that it made any sense, but you don't have to worry about Charles suing James. From what I understand, he couldn't be more pleased. lol
You are the same scumbag with a new name.:finger:
But, you did illegally post the material of other photographers, and those are the people who will sue you for copyright infringement. I can guarantee you won't be talking so much shit when you get a cease and desist order.
Nah,I'll be wiping my ass with it you pos.:finger:
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:38
Noone is screwed, as long as the board is down. Names and addresses without posts are useless for them. Keep in mind that they did not have the database (that's why they need the phishing!) They hit us hard, but they are not half as clever as they think. Had they talked less after they "kidnapped" Platoon, situation could have been much worse. Platoon tried to get server info from me and Moe, but he only got a limited FTP access with no access to the board. It was too obvious he was forced to ask.
Loosing the site was nothing unexpected for me - such things happen every day. Loosing a good friend realy feels bad.
This is an obvious lie. The FTP access was compromised. I know. I was in there.
Platoon had a choice. He made a decision. It was the right one. There isn't a man in here who would have done something different.
Anyone who signed up to the WP-Board has had his identity compromised. True, we can't go after 7000+ members, but the big posters will be pursued by a variety of webmasters. Don't rest too easy, Tom. You're one of them.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:40
Hey guys, there is a thought out there and sorry to say it (it is not coming from me) that Platoon is not who he says he really is. Now I do not know him like others so I can't even make heads or tails of that comment. I would not be too worried about giving you email since he is looking for posters (I would imagine) of it content. Going forward you guys need some basic tools to help you figure out if the site is legit or not.
Hi all :)
If I were you, Paul, I wouldn't be spending time on another illegal posting board. You're already in a spot of trouble, mate!
This is an obvious lie. The FTP access was compromised. I know. I was in there.
Platoon had a choice. He made a decision. It was the right one. There isn't a man in here who would have done something different.
Anyone who signed up to the WP-Board has had his identity compromised. True, we can't go after 7000+ members, but the big posters will be pursued by a variety of webmasters. Don't rest too easy, Tom. You're one of them.
Are you Tina Dutey,her shit was compromised.Maybe she shouldn't threaten people she doesn't know.:finger:
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:42
No, nothing happened
Not yet. But, you will definitely receive a C&D order in the future. No doubt.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:53
You never went in front of a jury.Try that sometime and see what happens,you'll be the "little girl" to Bubba quick and you know that.You think the average Joe or Jane approves of your stuff, Legal or not, and wouldn't have convicted your ass in a second flat if given the oppurtunity?
Anyone who pays you a cent based on any of this is a fool.Go in front of a civil jury and show them your pics of little 13 yr. olds dressed like streetwalkers and whine that your "profits" and "business" are at risk,and see what sympathy you garner.I would bet most on that jury would be very happy to hear it and would probably wouldn't mind someone putting you out of business by any means.Once it goes to a jury,the law does not matter,they can and will,do whatever they want.It's called jury nullification and it happens all the time and this seems to be a case,if ever there was one,where it would.
Good Luck,you'll need it.
Your lawyers and the PI's must be loving this,probably already ordered new beamers.
You sure have a big mouth. You should talk? Weren't you a regular in WP-Board's "hidden" area? You know, the area where there were pics of "little 13 yr. olds dressed like streetwalkers" and of much younger models too??
You sure have a big mouth. You should talk? Weren't you a regular in WP-Board's "hidden" area? You know, the area where there were pics of "little 13 yr. olds dressed like streetwalkers" and of much younger models too??
impartial here lol so no one kill me but if jimmy was running the site for a few weeks with stuff like that on it then isn't he liable for it?
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 04:59
Nah,I'll be wiping my ass with it you pos.:finger:
I seriously doubt it. You're not a tough as you think you are. You'll soon find out.
You sure have a big mouth. You should talk? Weren't you a regular in WP-Board's "hidden" area? You know, the area where there were pics of "little 13 yr. olds dressed like streetwalkers" and of much younger models too??
Ha anyone on that board knows I wasn't, and if you knew as much about the board as you claim, you would know that.
I wouldn't touch that crap,but you live off it.Disgusting.:cf:
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 05:05
impartial here lol so no one kill me but if jimmy was running the site for a few weeks with stuff like that on it then isn't he liable for it?
He wasn't running the site for weeks. This is disinformation. I won't speak for Jimmy, but I know that everything he did was in consultation with his legal team. Yes, team.
As for me, this all didn't happen overnight. In short, the board was monitored closely for months. Everything was done on the legal up and up in consultation with attorneys in order to catch illegal posters. Why else conduct such an operation?
I seriously doubt it. You're not a tough as you think you are. You'll soon find out.
Don't send me a letter ,hand deliver it,or are ya too pussy? We'll soon find out.I'll cum on it and send it back,then you'll have dna evidence,that is if you don't swallow it first.:finger:
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 05:07
Ha anyone on that board knows I wasn't, and if you knew as much about the board as you claim, you would know that.
I wouldn't touch that crap,but you live off it.Disgusting.:cf:
I just know for a fact that you're an illegal poster. AND you supported an illegal posting board knowingly and financially. You're in a bit of trouble, "friend".
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 05:10
Don't send me a letter ,hand deliver it,or are ya too pussy? We'll soon find out.I'll cum on it and send it back,then you'll have dna evidence,that is if you don't swallow it first.:finger:
You don't know how much I'd like to meet you face to face, you illegal posting bastard! But, if I did, then I'd be the one who'd end up in court, instead of you. So, you'll get a C&D order instead.
I just know for a fact that you're an illegal poster. AND you supported an illegal posting board knowingly and financially. You're in a bit of trouble, "friend".
Nah,I'm in no trouble.I don't troll trailer parks looking to photograph kids and write bad checks.
What,me worry?:finger:
Are you John McCain? "Friend"
You don't know how much I'd like to meet you face to face, you illegal posting bastard! But, if I did, then I'd be the one who'd end up in court, instead of you. So, you'll get a C&D order instead.
Ha.I guess I get to you.If you met me you would be in a hospital not court.Hope it comes whwn I'm getting ready to walk the dog,need something to poop scoop with.
:finger:
Oh and here is some info to help ya.I lived in St.Pete many years and know it well, so don'\t make threats you can't back up little bald weasel.I may have to just go to lunch at the original hooters .then come see you about your letter.
Don't send me a letter ,hand deliver it,or are ya too pussy? We'll soon find out.I'll cum on it and send it back,then you'll have dna evidence,that is if you don't swallow it first.:finger:
Here's another keyboard warrior who will learn the hard way:
http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/remove-your-content-v-does
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Not yet. But, you will definitely receive a C&D order in the future. No doubt.
There would have to be something for me to cease and desist. I never posted any materials associated with Grady or any of the other webmasters in question
You seem to have plenty of ready opponents here, you don't need to try and create any more by slinging threats at people like me. It makes it look like you're more interested in trying to scare people than actually accomplishing something
Save this stuff for people involved. I don't have the legal background to know what has merit and what doesn't, who's right and who's wrong etc, so I'm not going to join into this debate.
For my part, I posted stuff found for free, previews, model mayhem pics and the like, nothing stolen, nothing exclusive, nothing paid for. The results of my actions were people being shown things they may not have found on their own, but they were things that were right out in the public domain, intended for anyone to be able to see for free. If anything I was supplying free advertising, making people aware of certain girls or new projects they may not have known or paid much attention too before.
If you really knew about me, than you should already know that. People who really knew me, also know that I'm dead broke and I have terminal non-hogkins lymphoma, so I really could care less about what happens to anyone involved here on either side. From this point on, I'm staying out of it
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 15:27
LaMo,
Please, Please, Please contact those people and get them to hire a lawyer..... Please, Please, Please.....
The best thing for me is for them to hire lawyers. All settlements go faster when they hire lawyers.
Let me tell you the 2007 story of "Norman" (firstname withheld as part of the settlement). He was just like you guys -- thinking that stealing from a website was OK, and even taunting the webmaster (Model's mother) on various board just like this one.
He, just like the silly "keyboard tough guys" you are playing online, started posting silly comments about how she couldn't catch him, how he had the right to post anything he wanted, how it was OK because the server was outside the USA, etc. He claimed the "TheNudeBoard.com" was protected from USA lawsuits, etc.
The webmaster / mother explained to me how much it was costing her and how membership had sunk since he started posting under his screenname "kraven3d". I decided I would see if I could trace him down.
Like the WP posters with my stuff, all it took was some time and a tiny bit of cash, and a bunch of well organized notes.
It was also easy to discover that much of his posting was coming from his office at a major transportation company (name withheld as part of settlement).
A standard C & D, just like those this week, was sent to both his home address and office.
The C & D to his house arrived first, on a Saturday, and he instantly started send the same type of "keyboard tough guy" emails and messages as you are posting here. He tried to say he wasn't the guy, he had never joined the site, he never been online, he never heard of that model, and all the usual crap.
Two days later the second C & D arrived at his place of employment. Two copies -- because he was using the company network they have to also receive a C & D, and because they are enabling him and responsable for their own network, they are liable for what happens from their network.
They immediately hired a lawyer for him. He was in Kentucky, but their main office is in California. This is the lawyer's name and address if you wish to confirm.
Stacie A. Goeddel
Holland & Knight LLP
50 California Street, Ste. 2800
San Francisco, CA 94111
She called my lawyer Andy, who referred her to me directly, and we had a very nice 40 minute phone conversation. That was followed by me FAXing her just ONE page of documents we had implicating her Client "Norman".
All other communications after that involved settlement discussions. I wanted $12,000.00 and she told me the story of how his daughter was getting married and paying $12,000.00 would screw-up the wedding, etc.
We agreed on $6000.00, with half going to the model involved and half to my favorite charity, The Victory Junction Camp ( http://victoryjunction.org/ ).
A copy of the settlement agreement is posted at this link in PDF format, with the guys first name removed.
http://wp-board.com/sample/Norman_Settlement_Redact.pdf
If you think I am lying or faking this, visit the charity's own site and review the annual report for 2007 at this next link. Check page 7 for the donation range $2500 - $4999.99 for the model's name (in settlement PDF). You'll find it right above "Joe Gibbs Racing" in the middle column.
http://victoryjunction.org/about/VictoryJunction2007AnnualReport2.pdf
No money in the settlement agreement for me, just the model harmed by "Norman" and the charity.
There have been 7 other such cases since that time. Most very close to the same -- strangely its not often for posting on "Boards", but for guys trying to use my pictures to start their own site -- some even post on modeling sites like ModelMayhem.com claiming to be the photographer and trying to get models to meet them in the local parks.
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It seems we have three (3) guys on here that are tough guys and think they have great advice for the guys I am going after.
Fine. Lets take it just one step further. LaMo, PatSox or sicilian... lets cut the voilent sounding BS and do this the legal / adult way. Here is my offer:
I'll pay all expeness for any of you to fly to Florida (I'm heading there in a week) and put you up at The Don Ceasar ( http://www.loewshotels.com/en/Hotels/St-Pete-Beach-Resort/Overview.aspx ) for a few days.
During that time we'll sit down in their cool place and talk over all the laws involved. I'll even open up the books on my sites and show you how the numbers change when WP is up or down.
If, after reviewing all that data, you still think I am in the wrong and the guys I'm going after are right / or should be defended the way you discuss here, I'll give you $25,000 and their contact information -- as long as you agree to use that money to defend them (hire them a lawyer) or just fly to see them and give them your advice, etc.
If any of you really think you are right. If you really think you can guide them out of the trouble they are in. If you really think I am in the wrong (now, or after seeing my numbers), if you really think they have a chance to sue me for posting their information online (like done in the online phone books), PLEASE TAKE MY OFFER and come to their rescue.
LIke stated above -- them hiring lawyers is the best thing that can happen for me. Every single time this stuff happens and they hire a lawyer the settlements go smooth as silk. Thats because the lawyers explain to them what it means, what I have, and how wrong they are. The lawyers they hire always advise that they settle when face with all the information . evidence I collect BEFORE the C & D is sent.
My toll-free number is 1-877-686-5393. I have lawyer meetings today (11:30am to 2:00pm Colorado time), but will be here late. Call, lets cut the silliness online and all the childish threats and just sit and talk.
If you could really see how hard we work as photographer / webmasters, and how much we spend to produce stuff, and how hard the girls work, I seriously don't think you would support the actions if former WP posters.
James Grady
According to this article, the people James is posting on his blog and threatening with lawsuits using their real names and addresses to harrass them before they are found guilty, indeed constitute the kind of threat and harrassment you posted here. So thank you for informing them they have a counter suit for millions against James Grady and providing the evidence. I think they DO need a lawyer. They may emerge form this owning True Teen Babes.
James Grady posting people's personal information and inviting other webmasters to help him harrass them before they are proven guilty indeed constitute slander, harassment, and may also imply he is inviting people to do them bodily harm. He is also guilty of extortion by using these harassing tactics to try and settle his lawsuit for $25,000 as he stated openly in the blog here.
Physically harassing people to try and get them to settle a lawsuit is a crime Mr. Grady has committed here opnely and addmittedly tonight. You just posted the proof. Thanks
Is that what you read from that? :D I love it.
Here's another keyboard warrior who will learn the hard way:
http://www.citmedialaw.org/threats/remove-your-content-v-does
Is this aimed at me? LOL my name isn't John Doe and I never heard of any of those sites.:finger:
Two bit shysters who can't take on a real Personal injury or Malpractice case ,gotta be bottom feeding scum scraping the barrel defending cp.I guess it beats traffic court,you can suck my fat cock.:finger::p:D
You scare nobody and the internet isn't going away,you are fools.
LaMo,
Please, Please, Please contact those people and get them to hire a lawyer..... Please, Please, Please.....
The best thing for me is for them to hire lawyers. All settlements go faster when they hire lawyers.
Let me tell you the 2007 story of "Norman" (firstname withheld as part of the settlement). He was just like you guys -- thinking that stealing from a website was OK, and even taunting the webmaster (Model's mother) on various board just like this one.
He, just like the silly "keyboard tough guys" you are playing online, started posting silly comments about how she couldn't catch him, how he had the right to post anything he wanted, how it was OK because the server was outside the USA, etc. He claimed the "TheNudeBoard.com" was protected from USA lawsuits, etc.
The webmaster / mother explained to me how much it was costing her and how membership had sunk since he started posting under his screenname "kraven3d". I decided I would see if I could trace him down.
Like the WP posters with my stuff, all it took was some time and a tiny bit of cash, and a bunch of well organized notes.
It was also easy to discover that much of his posting was coming from his office at a major transportation company (name withheld as part of settlement).
A standard C & D, just like those this week, was sent to both his home address and office.
The C & D to his house arrived first, on a Saturday, and he instantly started send the same type of "keyboard tough guy" emails and messages as you are posting here. He tried to say he wasn't the guy, he had never joined the site, he never been online, he never heard of that model, and all the usual crap.
Two days later the second C & D arrived at his place of employment. Two copies -- because he was using the company network they have to also receive a C & D, and because they are enabling him and responsable for their own network, they are liable for what happens from their network.
They immediately hired a lawyer for him. He was in Kentucky, but their main office is in California. This is the lawyer's name and address if you wish to confirm.
Stacie A. Goeddel
Holland & Knight LLP
50 California Street, Ste. 2800
San Francisco, CA 94111
She called my lawyer Andy, who referred her to me directly, and we had a very nice 40 minute phone conversation. That was followed by me FAXing her just ONE page of documents we had implicating her Client "Norman".
All other communications after that involved settlement discussions. I wanted $12,000.00 and she told me the story of how his daughter was getting married and paying $12,000.00 would screw-up the wedding, etc.
We agreed on $6000.00, with half going to the model involved and half to my favorite charity, The Victory Junction Camp ( http://victoryjunction.org/ ).
A copy of the settlement agreement is posted at this link in PDF format, with the guys first name removed.
http://wp-board.com/sample/Norman_Settlement_Redact.pdf
If you think I am lying or faking this, visit the charity's own site and review the annual report for 2007 at this next link. Check page 7 for the donation range $2500 - $4999.99 for the model's name (in settlement PDF). You'll find it right above "Joe Gibbs Racing" in the middle column.
http://victoryjunction.org/about/VictoryJunction2007AnnualReport2.pdf
No money in the settlement agreement for me, just the model harmed by "Norman" and the charity.
There have been 7 other such cases since that time. Most very close to the same -- strangely its not often for posting on "Boards", but for guys trying to use my pictures to start their own site -- some even post on modeling sites like ModelMayhem.com claiming to be the photographer and trying to get models to meet them in the local parks.
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It seems we have three (3) guys on here that are tough guys and think they have great advice for the guys I am going after.
Fine. Lets take it just one step further. LaMo, PatSox or sicilian... lets cut the voilent sounding BS and do this the legal / adult way. Here is my offer:
I'll pay all expeness for any of you to fly to Florida (I'm heading there in a week) and put you up at The Don Ceasar ( http://www.loewshotels.com/en/Hotels/St-Pete-Beach-Resort/Overview.aspx ) for a few days.
During that time we'll sit down in their cool place and talk over all the laws involved. I'll even open up the books on my sites and show you how the numbers change when WP is up or down.
If, after reviewing all that data, you still think I am in the wrong and the guys I'm going after are right / or should be defended the way you discuss here, I'll give you $25,000 and their contact information -- as long as you agree to use that money to defend them (hire them a lawyer) or just fly to see them and give them your advice, etc.
If any of you really think you are right. If you really think you can guide them out of the trouble they are in. If you really think I am in the wrong (now, or after seeing my numbers), if you really think they have a chance to sue me for posting their information online (like done in the online phone books), PLEASE TAKE MY OFFER and come to their rescue.
LIke stated above -- them hiring lawyers is the best thing that can happen for me. Every single time this stuff happens and they hire a lawyer the settlements go smooth as silk. Thats because the lawyers explain to them what it means, what I have, and how wrong they are. The lawyers they hire always advise that they settle when face with all the information . evidence I collect BEFORE the C & D is sent.
My toll-free number is 1-877-686-5393. I have lawyer meetings today (11:30am to 2:00pm Colorado time), but will be here late. Call, lets cut the silliness online and all the childish threats and just sit and talk.
If you could really see how hard we work as photographer / webmasters, and how much we spend to produce stuff, and how hard the girls work, I seriously don't think you would support the actions if former WP posters.
James Grady
Hey Grady, get it straight. I'm not one of the guys picking a fight, making threats, accusations, giving advice or talking legal stuff here. I'm the guy saying I never posted your stuff and I'm staying out of this whole discussion....or at least trying to.
Why you keep bringing me up and lumping me in is baffling. Go back and read my posts if you have any doubts. Again, get it straight please
There would have to be something for me to cease and desist. I never posted any materials associated with Grady or any of the other webmasters in question
You seem to have plenty of ready opponents here, you don't need to try and create any more by slinging threats at people like me. It makes it look like you're more interested in trying to scare people than actually accomplishing something
Save this stuff for people involved. I don't have the legal background to know what has merit and what doesn't, who's right and who's wrong etc, so I'm not going to join into this debate.
For my part, I posted stuff found for free, previews, model mayhem pics and the like, nothing stolen, nothing exclusive, nothing paid for. The results of my actions were people being shown things they may not have found on their own, but they were things that were right out in the public domain, intended for anyone to be able to see for free. If anything I was supplying free advertising, making people aware of certain girls or new projects they may not have known or paid much attention too before.
If you really knew about me, than you should already know that. People who really knew me, also know that I'm dead broke and I have terminal non-hogkins lymphoma, so I really could care less about what happens to anyone involved here on either side. From this point on, I'm staying out of it
Same for me.I wouldn't want that cp he peddles if it was free.If he contacts me with false accusations then I guess he'll be paying me some of his dirty money.
I hope his two bit shysters convince him to send me a letter.
Same for me.I wouldn't want that cp he peddles if it was free.If he contacts me with false accusations then I guess he'll be paying me some of his dirty money.
I hope his two bit shysters convince him to send me a letter.
Well I don't
I don't have the time, money or energy to deal with this crap. Yet he keeps naming me and I haven't done or said a thing to the guy. If this whole mess is as BIG as he's claiming, he may want to at least get the names right of the people he wants to go after or that are speaking out against him. Because I'm not one of them, nor have I been.
Hey Grady, get it straight. I'm not one of the guys picking a fight, making threats, accusations, giving advice or talking legal stuff here. I'm the guy saying I never posted your stuff and I'm staying out of this whole discussion....or at least trying to.
Why you keep bringing me up and lumping me in is baffling. Go back and read my posts if you have any doubts. Again, get it straight please
I don't really care about those folks who d/l'd your stuff as far as I'm concerned they are no better than you.
I just hope they find a way to not pay you and eventually run you out of business.
If you were doing content with all adults in it,I could see your point.
Your content seems to legitimize sexual interest in little 13 yr. old girls.
Some may say well it keeps those folks behind a computer and not out touching real kids,then again it may drive some over the edge and make them more inclined to live that out.
You choose to do this so obviously you must like it yourself .
I don't really care about those folks who d/l'd your stuff as far as I'm concerned they are no better than you.
I just hope they find a way to not pay you and eventually run you out of business.
If you were doing content with all adults in it,I could see your point.
Your content seems to legitimize sexual interest in little 13 yr. old girls.
Some may say well it keeps those folks behind a computer and not out touching real kids,then again it may drive some over the edge and make them more inclined to live that out.
You choose to do this so obviously you must like it yourself .
Why did you post that in response to what I said? :confused:
I'm pretty sure you meant to direct that at someone else
For christs sake, I'm here trying to aliviate some confusion and your just causing more
Well I don't
I don't have the time, money or energy to deal with this crap. Yet he keeps naming me and I haven't done or said a thing to the guy. If this whole mess is as BIG as he's claiming, he may want to at least get the names right of the people he wants to go after or that are speaking out against him. Because I'm not one of them, nor have I been.
My beef was the Tinamd2525 he had on there saying everyone who was a member were all going to be sued and they had all the names,etc.
I never looked at his content and didn't own or control that board.
Why did post that in response to what I said? :confused:
I'm pretty sure you meant to direct that at someone else
For christs sake, I'm here trying to aliviate some confusion and your just causing more
Yeah,my mistake .Response to him offering to meet people or something,didn't read it all.
Yeah,my mistake .Response to him offering to meet people or something,didn't read it all.
Well then can you edit it out?
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 18:20
I don't really care about those folks who d/l'd your stuff as far as I'm concerned they are no better than you.
I just hope they find a way to not pay you and eventually run you out of business.
If you were doing content with all adults in it,I could see your point.
Your content seems to legitimize sexual interest in little 13 yr. old girls.
Some may say well it keeps those folks behind a computer and not out touching real kids,then again it may drive some over the edge and make them more inclined to live that out.
You choose to do this so obviously you must like it yourself .
Sicilian,
Thanks.... Maybe you are out of the loop.
The guys we are going after the hardest -- Beard, Banks and Henry -- posted many, many times from my site TrueBabes.com -- thats all models ages 18+.
I assume now that I have your blessing?
James
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 18:25
PatSox is correct. Scrolling up and down, and mis-reading the "quote" system here, I included him in the offer when he shouldn't have been.
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 18:27
My beef was the Tinamd2525 he had on there saying everyone who was a member were all going to be sued and they had all the names,etc.
I never looked at his content and didn't own or control that board.
She didn't say everybody on there, she said everybody posting my stuff.
The logs are here if you would like to come review.
tomtom21514
16-06-09, 18:37
I have some problems with the discussion here, because it is not honest. Neither side acted legal, and you all know it, at least in the US. You should know this:
The damage claimed is unfounded. To get an estimate, you would need download numbers from RS or wherever the content was hosted.
If a provider in the US realy handed out more then the requested info, it is not covered buy any legal paper and done unlawfully. Any paper had been limited to the use by Jimmy and his content. Furthermore, I have copies of mails proving that exactly this provider confirmed that WP had a working system to remove illegal content - but we never received a removal request.
This provider has a big problem: They host a big board sharing Hollywood Movies, and they know it - and they were stupid enough to confess that in a mail I have on file. I doubt that they have any interest to cooperate with Jimmy.
Who maid money with WP? On top where Providers. Oh no: On top comes one webmaster who sold his memberships in a bundle with WP promotions, remember? I have all the mails with the daily reports, I have all the receipts members sent in. This guy now asked for Jimmies files. I would not recommend that to him. In a court, he had not only to explain why he made more money with WP then the site itself. He had also to explain why he tried to sell the underage content to me that was removed from his site. All these mails are on file.
WP was legal under European Law, as any direct linking to content was not only forbidden, but this was enforced by code and administration. The site linking to RS is crypt-load, not WP. I have no idea, how they handle complaints.
There was also mentioning by Jimmy he had gotten board details from Turkey. Now, things get interesting. If Platoon was not the site owner, as Jimmy told us more then once, he could never hand over any server access data legaly, with or without agreement. All data are fruits from the forbidden tree - and everyone knows that. I sent what he posted (stealing a backup from a server) to the Turkish provider who has a branch in the US. He has a diplomatic passport.
As I mentioned before, the time is over for me. Yesterday I had time to delete those links that still where up - not many, as I hardly had time to post anything.
Obviously, business is bad for webmasters, and they try to get a bailout from copyright offenders who did minor to medium offences. It's your choice to play his game and sign legal papers without consulting a lawyer. I would NOT do it, opposite. Jimmy has good reason not to go the official way.
I will not join into this useless debate on moral. Jimmy is doing his job, half in the greyzone, half illegal. Who am I to criticize him? I always knew that the porn business is criminal. Much more important is to have a good archive. And I have.
Oh, and sorry for the webmaster who was was a mod on our site: I kept your files as well.
Cannon Balls
16-06-09, 18:48
I don't know James Brady and I do not have the time or desire to investigate his background or the case he's presenting now, so this post should not serve to endorse or disparage his personal character nor to validate or refute the validity of all of the evidence he has offered in presenting his case. It doesn't matter, because this post should stand on it's own independant of all that.
There is no question based on my knowledge of intellectual property laws that none of us has the legal right to distribute copyrighted material without permission of the copyright holder. Righteous or not, all of the arguments made to justify doing so are just rationalizations to satisfy one's own desires and have no basis in law or precedence.
There is no question based on my knowledge of web-hosting, that he could have collected all of the evidence he purports to have in hand.
I do not have the knowledge or experience to know if the damages he claims are accurate or if, even if armed with the above information, that he could present a case strong enough to warrant the kind of punitive awards he is seeking. It wouldn't surprise me if he is bluffing somewhat. It doesn't matter.
Anyone who receives a legal notice from him would be a fool not to hire a lawyer and let him/her evaluate it instead of relying on the armchair lawyers posting to this board (on both sides of the issue).
Fact of the matter is that he has done his homework and played his hand well. I can't blame him. I'd do the same thing in his shoes.
The hunters in this audience will understand when I say that he's going after the irresponsible hunters and it is actually to the benefit of us responsible ones and our quarry (the models) that he do so.
In nature, the successful predators don't eliminate their prey, the successful parasites don't kill their host. Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing proportion of the population with a reckless sense of entitlement to not just electronically distributed media (music, movies, software, porn), but to life in general (free education, health care, mortgage payments).
Forget laws or principles, its a matter of logic. The more who expect it for free, the fewer willing to pay. The fewer who pay, the less justification there is to produce the material. Eventually, there will be no model sites. If these women were so willing to take off their clothes for nothing, we wouldn't be here, we'd be with them.
I have to laugh at the "Pirates" code of honor which self-riteously abhors paying the models and producers of the material but is insulted by and shows derision for those who download these same stolen materials from "their" websites without contributing something back.
Yes, it can help advertise and bring attention and revenue to a website when we post materials. Probably not as much as we like to believe, especially when offset by some loss of revenues. But, that's not the point. It's not our right to decide what is in the best interest of these websites any more than it's our right to walk into a local music store and walk out with stolen CDs to distribute to the masses because we've decided it will bring them more business.
The fact of the matter is that ChristinaModel.com is an example of the best kind of site that we "responsible hunters" should be trying to protect from the parasites. I believe those who've actually subscribed to many sites will appreciate what I mean. The models may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they update regularly with new content in high-quality formats and try to add new features. They don't mislead or rebrand old content. Christina actively participates. I've been a member for periods of time on several occassions and probably will be again. I will admit, and I think many of you would acknowledge privately, that access to free copies of content has extended the delay between renewals.
I am not familiar with the other sites that the CP critics have attributed to James Brady but "if" everything they say is accurate, I would support the condemnation. However, if these sites are still in existance and James Brady is not in jail, then that would tend undermine their criticisms. A simple thing to prove either way. Regardless, I think it'd be a silly thing for the parasites to claim now that they're only targetting the sites run by immorral or criminal people.
So, I say good luck to James Brady (in this particular crusade). It should be a wake up call to all of us. I've paid a lot of money over the years to support those sites I've appreciated and I don't want to see the good ones go away nor do I want to share the rewards of my time and hard-earned money with those with an unjust sense of entitement.
My advice for James Brady and model website colleagues is to be careful while going after the pirates to not inadvertantly alienate the responsible hunters. It would help your industry and take away a lot of the ammunition of the pirates if you all helped police the bad sites and helped discourage the kind of practices that cause resentment among us.
Responders can proudly hang your hat with the parasites by responding to this post with an ill-thought-out and crude response. Respectful, articulate responses will be appreciated even if in disagreement.
tomtom21514
16-06-09, 19:00
I only need one more info from you: If you believe what you type, what are you doing here? Would you agree that this sounds like double standards? The same double standards a *specific* webmaster uses who made 4500$ with WP and now is after the posters?
Added: Less then 700 members had CM access, judging from the comments far less where downloading it,
I guess 200 or so. No danger for the site. Much more dangerous for the site was that the whole passfile has been stolen and traded on the net. WP knew that this could kill the site and never used or distributed it.
Oh - I still have it. In a secure place elsewhere
Added2:
Just found this nice post of yours:
"Revert, I was previously a lurker of these boards but registered just to make sure you
got thanks for this thread and to give it renewed visibility. Nice stuff. Definitely more would
be welcome. "
No double standards?
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 19:16
Ha.I guess I get to you.If you met me you would be in a hospital not court.Hope it comes whwn I'm getting ready to walk the dog,need something to poop scoop with.
:finger:
Oh and here is some info to help ya.I lived in St.Pete many years and know it well, so don'\t make threats you can't back up little bald weasel.I may have to just go to lunch at the original hooters .then come see you about your letter.
You wouldn't last 5 seconds with me, big talking faggot on the Internat.. Yeah, let's meet at the original Hooters. Anytime. You're nothing but a illegal posting piece of shit. You illegally posted the material of other webmasters. You don't think they want that info?
These are not threats. They're facts. Everyone better realize this.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 19:19
You are suing people for pointing out the obvious and using free speech? Shit, you must be a Nazi Republican...Heil Cheney!
You're wrong, Duke. You're a major illegal poster of copyrighted material. That's not free speech. You are going to find yourself in court for the illegal acts you've committed. Please google "Copyright Infringement". You'll see yourself, like looking in a mirror.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 19:25
There would have to be something for me to cease and desist. I never posted any materials associated with Grady or any of the other webmasters in question
You seem to have plenty of ready opponents here, you don't need to try and create any more by slinging threats at people like me. It makes it look like you're more interested in trying to scare people than actually accomplishing something
Save this stuff for people involved. I don't have the legal background to know what has merit and what doesn't, who's right and who's wrong etc, so I'm not going to join into this debate.
For my part, I posted stuff found for free, previews, model mayhem pics and the like, nothing stolen, nothing exclusive, nothing paid for. The results of my actions were people being shown things they may not have found on their own, but they were things that were right out in the public domain, intended for anyone to be able to see for free. If anything I was supplying free advertising, making people aware of certain girls or new projects they may not have known or paid much attention too before.
If you really knew about me, than you should already know that. People who really knew me, also know that I'm dead broke and I have terminal non-hogkins lymphoma, so I really could care less about what happens to anyone involved here on either side. From this point on, I'm staying out of it
You're wrong. You've posted a ton of Barbara's material. Just because your stole the pictures from Model Mayhem and illegally posted them on an illegal posting board like WP-Board, doesn't mean you're in the clear. I guess that will be up to Barbara, but I'm certain she didn't give you permission.
I, for one, have evidence of you DOWNLOADING my material. This is contributory copyright infringement. And you can get served for that. Again, not a threat, a fact.
Right now I'm looking at a screen shot where you were "thanked" on the WP-Board 2700 times? That's not evidence of contributory infringement? Of course, you can always have you day in court. And that's the point here. People may think the webmasters don't have a case here. Fine. We'll let the courts decide.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 19:29
My beef was the Tinamd2525 he had on there saying everyone who was a member were all going to be sued and they had all the names,etc.
I never looked at his content and didn't own or control that board.
Doesn't matter. You illegally posted the material of other webmasters. They will be pleased to get the evidence needed to send you a C&D letter.
I'm getting the feeling you nothing more that a teenage boy. Just a hunch I got by looking at the way you express yourself. Sorry son, your mommy and daddy aren't going to pull you out of this one.
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 19:36
I have some problems with the discussion here, because it is not honest. Neither side acted legal, and you all know it, at least in the US. You should know this:
The damage claimed is unfounded. To get an estimate, you would need download numbers from RS or wherever the content was hosted.
If a provider in the US realy handed out more then the requested info, it is not covered buy any legal paper and done unlawfully. Any paper had been limited to the use by Jimmy and his content. Furthermore, I have copies of mails proving that exactly this provider confirmed that WP had a working system to remove illegal content - but we never received a removal request.
This provider has a big problem: They host a big board sharing Hollywood Movies, and they know it - and they were stupid enough to confess that in a mail I have on file. I doubt that they have any interest to cooperate with Jimmy.
Who maid money with WP? On top where Providers. Oh no: On top comes one webmaster who sold his memberships in a bundle with WP promotions, remember? I have all the mails with the daily reports, I have all the receipts members sent in. This guy now asked for Jimmies files. I would not recommend that to him. In a court, he had not only to explain why he made more money with WP then the site itself. He had also to explain why he tried to sell the underage content to me that was removed from his site. All these mails are on file.
WP was legal under European Law, as any direct linking to content was not only forbidden, but this was enforced by code and administration. The site linking to RS is crypt-load, not WP. I have no idea, how they handle complaints.
There was also mentioning by Jimmy he had gotten board details from Turkey. Now, things get interesting. If Platoon was not the site owner, as Jimmy told us more then once, he could never hand over any server access data legaly, with or without agreement. All data are fruits from the forbidden tree - and everyone knows that. I sent what he posted (stealing a backup from a server) to the Turkish provider who has a branch in the US. He has a diplomatic passport.
As I mentioned before, the time is over for me. Yesterday I had time to delete those links that still where up - not many, as I hardly had time to post anything.
Obviously, business is bad for webmasters, and they try to get a bailout from copyright offenders who did minor to medium offences. It's your choice to play his game and sign legal papers without consulting a lawyer. I would NOT do it, opposite. Jimmy has good reason not to go the official way.
I will not join into this useless debate on moral. Jimmy is doing his job, half in the greyzone, half illegal. Who am I to criticize him? I always knew that the porn business is criminal. Much more important is to have a good archive. And I have.
Oh, and sorry for the webmaster who was was a mod on our site: I kept your files as well.
More BS from Tomtom?? Sorry, but I didn't even finish reading this crap. I must say you're missing the point that what you were running, on the whole, was an illegal operation in both the US and Europe. Now I find out that you have the FBI and Interpol looking into your activities. Good luck.
I told you via PM that you won't be able to just walk away from this one. I've already looked into hiring a lawyer in Berlin to represent me alone. You say you have nothing to lose? As I told you, there's always something to lose, Tom.
You're wrong. You've posted a ton of Barbara's material. Just because your stole the pictures from Model Mayhem and illegally posted them on an illegal posting board like WP-Board, doesn't mean you're in the clear. I guess that will be up to Barbara, but I'm certain she didn't give you permission.
I, for one, have evidence of you DOWNLOADING my material. This is contributory copyright infringement. And you can get served for that. Again, not a threat, a fact.
Right now I'm looking at a screen shot where you were "thanked" on the WP-Board 2700 times? That's not evidence of contributory infringement? Of course, you can always have you day in court. And that's the point here. People may think the webmasters don't have a case here. Fine. We'll let the courts decide.
That is incorrect
I've actually spoken to her via email, we're on pretty friendly terms, I was never much of an offender as far as uploading copywrited material of hers or anyone elses. In fact when I wasn't ill and had more money I was actually a member of hers and other sites like Christinas. I even bought videos from the stores, though I never shared them online, kind of selfish of me, but in retrospect pretty smart. Most of my posts were either news tidbits or the occasional free preview pics to let people know what was out there. I got alot of thanks that way and alot more from posting celebrity related stuff(Mandy Moore, Jessica Alba etc) over time that builds up, so I'm not surprised the count is as high as it is.
I always encouraged people that could afford to, to pay for memberships to sites like hers. They're not rich and need the money to keep it going. I respect that and obviously wouldn't want them to have to shut down due to low memberships. Without knowing exactly who you are, if you are a webmaster for any of the girls I enjoy, I would simply say thank you for that and hope we can leave it there.
I'm really not looking for a fight here, that's the truth
dillon1980
16-06-09, 20:08
Well this is a thread that turned off topic from out of no-where!!!
I don't know anything about US law, neither am I going to pretend to know anything about it.
However from what I see the following applies.
Guy earns living by photgraphing underage models - which from what I read is all legitimate, legal, models have adult consent etc.
It's not the most ethical way to earn a living, I wouldn't d/l , purchase anything from the site, as it's not my thing, and personally I think it's rather fucking creepy!!!!
But like one of the articles said, he did it for the same reason the Frisbee was invented - because people would buy it!! All legal loopholes explored, tried and tested and whammo one website for clothed (well just about clothed!!) 13 -17yr olds.
As for the ding dong battle between those of you who he is headhunting - all the best! It's part of the parcel of sharing copyrighted material. We all do it, we all know it can go tits up, when it does we're not prepared!
In the blue corner - we have the coppyright breachers, sharing unauthorised content etc blah blah
In the red corner - we have matey who's lived in his mums basement for a long time, probably read the c/p legal rules back to front, has shatloads of legal compensation, I dare say a bit of a chip on his shoulder, and the money, ways and means to do what the hell he wants with his 'material'.
Sadly, I would pay more interest in seeing how this turns out, but now that Transformers 2 is due out, my attention has turned to that instead.
Good luck!
mitchfour20
16-06-09, 20:19
this is some very interesting reading to say the least i have a question what would happen if the person you are after just didnt show in court and has no money and still posted your material and one other question i noticed you are after a law student from Austin Texas you ever worry about messing with the wrong person even though you may be legally right to do so... what if the student is related to Bush ,Perry...etc would you still try to take them to court
You're wrong. You've posted a ton of Barbara's material. Just because your stole the pictures from Model Mayhem and illegally posted them on an illegal posting board like WP-Board, doesn't mean you're in the clear. I guess that will be up to Barbara, but I'm certain she didn't give you permission.
I, for one, have evidence of you DOWNLOADING my material. This is contributory copyright infringement. And you can get served for that. Again, not a threat, a fact.
Right now I'm looking at a screen shot where you were "thanked" on the WP-Board 2700 times? That's not evidence of contributory infringement? Of course, you can always have you day in court. And that's the point here. People may think the webmasters don't have a case here. Fine. We'll let the courts decide.
Posting pictures available for free publicly on a board isn't illegal, to prove copyright you have to prove that you lost money from it. How can someone lose money from something they never charged for??
That isn't what contributory infringement is anyways, that's when someone helped someone out like made a board so someone could share on it, not downloaded the stuff. You're going to make your case look bad if you keep spouting things that are just outright wrong!
Cannon Balls
16-06-09, 20:47
I only need one more info from you: If you believe what you type, what are you doing here? Would you agree that this sounds like double standards?
....
Added2:
Just found this nice post of yours:
"Revert, I was previously a lurker of these boards but registered just to make sure you
got thanks for this thread and to give it renewed visibility. Nice stuff. Definitely more would
be welcome. "
No double standards?
I haven't posted too often and if you search more completely, you'll see that I've already addressed this in another post. Nonetheless, it is a fair criticism and if I want to hold myself to the highest ethical standards, I don't have a good response. I could say I'm only cruising this forum out of curiousity, but that'd be a lie. I have downloaded a lot of what I've found linked here. In that sense, I've contributed to the problem in the same way that those who buy ivory contribute to the reckless killing of elephants just for ivory.
I've rationalized my behaviour by drawing the line at never sharing content and because I have subscribed at one or more times to most every site that I've downloaded free content from. I know many others do too, but I think those who do are far from the rule in that or I wouldn't have downplayed the advertising value of posting the content. Still, all excuses, not valid reasons. You'll have to take my word for it that I'm not content with my hypocrisy or the need in general and have already started addressing that. Perhaps this dialogue will help finally galvanize my resolve and cause others to start down a similar path of realization.
I know that this whole discussion is a kill-joy subject and I'm not enthusiastic about participating in it. But, it is am important discussion and I think has implications beyond Brady's complaints and the sharing of model content in general, so I think it is worthwhile. My short-comings not-withstanding, I stand by the opinions I expressed in my prevous post. Each of you has to define your own lines irrespective of those defined for you by the law. I've defined mine and you can decide for yourself it that makes sense to you (all).
After seeing just how serious some of the webmasters are taking this, I'm realizing now it's a much bigger deal than I always thought it to be. I have to admit I kind of feel bad about it now, I never thought their business' were really suffering becuase of any of this, but some of these guys are so hopping mad right now, I guess it must have been the case.
So with that, for my small part, I would like to apologize. Admitedly I wasn't a very big contributor, I didn't post alot of premium, paid for, type material like others. But I did participate in the forums, all the while thinking it was no big deal, no one was getting hurt etc. For that I'm sorry. I would never want to damage anyone who's business it is to bring poor slobs like me the gift of beautiful girls to gaze at. And I esepcially don't like the idea that the goings on in these kinds of forums caused any financial hardships on the models themselves. That really sucks.
I'm just a guy who in between work and sleep likes to go online and look at and talk about pretty girls. It was never meant to be melicious. I never thought of myself as some kind of pirate, or some underground crusader, just a horny guy with a computer
So webmasters, Grady, Don, Charles, Jeff, Barb etc. I had no idea that this kind of thing was messing with you and the people you worked with and care for so much, for that I am truly sorry
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 21:14
TomTom,
You and I disagree.
How about I pay all your expenses for you to come to the USA, and pay the $25,000 mentioned in another post for you to hire legal counsel for any of the persons involved. TheN we don't have to fight here, we can simply do it in a court and let the legal system decide.
You select whom you want to defend from my list and I'll give YOU the money to hire THEM a lawyer.
Just take that offer posted above and come on down to Florida.
James
JamesGrady
16-06-09, 21:49
I have a busy afternoon here.... I sure wish you guys would research before talking / posting. It took me just about 4 minutes to find this tidbit on a famous lawyers website blog:
The Copyright Act entitles the owner of a copyright to elect to recover statutory damages for infringement instead of actual damages, which can be costly to prove. Moreover, the copyright protected work also entitles the owner to seek the recovery of attorneys fees expended in prosecuting the lawsuit.
This means that without having to prove that the pirate profited a dime, or that the owner lost money resulting from the infringement, the copyright owner can obtain money damages in the amounts provided by statute (the Copyright Act), hence the term "statutory damages."
Fortunately for the copyright owner, statutory damages can be substantial. For example, the court could award statutory damages in an amount up to $150,000 per infringement of the work in cases of willful infringement, such as where the infringer knew or should have known that the infringer did not have the right to exploit the work.
Since most infringement by pirates involves a plurality of the adult content owner's works, a typical infringer often can face potential statutory damage awards in excess of a million dollars.
In addition to the availability of potentially huge statutory damage awards, the copyright in a work also entitles a copyright owner to seek a court-ordered reimbursement of the owner's attorneys fees expended in the process of enforcing the owner's copyrights against the infringer.
Just don't believe some guy posting here -- look it up yourself! Here is the section of law:
17 U.S.C. Section 101 et seq, and Section 504(c)(2)
Google that and READ for yourself.
You guys can let TomTom lead you down a path if you want, but its the wrong path.
He WILL NOT be coming to your rescue.
He will not be paying your legal bills.
He will not be getting on a witness stand stating how he says its OK.
Study and research for yourself.
----------------->
All that crap about how I got this data or that data -- just more BS leading people down the wrong path. TomTom DID NOT own WP-Board.com. WP-Board.net or Worldplagiates.com. Platoon owned them and sold them to me, lock, stock and barrel on the afternoon of June 10th. That means everything there is MINE!
Logs, files, data, records -- all of it. Period, end of story. If TT has an issue with that he can simple come over the the USA and sue Platoon. TT didn't own any of it. He doesn't put stuff in his own name because he knows what he is doing is illegal.
Remember that under the "PROTECT Our Children Act of 2008" hosting companies and ISP have to keep records for an extended period of time. They own those records, not TT. Period, NOT TT. The host -- and they can show them or give to them me under subpoena all they want.
PLEASE do yourself a favor and look this stuff up yourself. Just Google D.M.C.A. or visit copyright.gov and look at the law. Just look to section 512 (h) FOR YOURSELF.
512 (h) Subpoena To Identify Infringer. -
(1) Request. - A copyright owner or a person authorized to act on the owner's behalf may request the clerk of any United States district court to issue a subpoena to a service provider for identification of an alleged infringer in accordance with this subsection.
(2) Contents of request. - The request may be made by filing with the clerk -
(A) a copy of a notification described in subsection (c)(3)(A);
(B) a proposed subpoena; and
(C) a sworn declaration to the effect that the purpose for which the subpoena is sought is to obtain the identity of an alleged infringer and that such information will only be used for the purpose of protecting rights under this title.
Look Close -- its says "A copyright owner"
That means I don't even have to have a lawyer issue the subpoena -- I can type it myself.
Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) section 512(h) as the creator of the Works I can prepare a subpoena to identify whom runs the site or whom is using the site to infringe my work. I then run over United States District Court for the Middle District of Florida in Tampa and have it reviewed and endorsed by a Magistrate or Clerk.
TomTom and other people here ARE NOT going to give out their real names. They ARE NOT going to help pay legal bills. They are not going to come to court and testify.
Thats it, end of story.
Believe the laws as found right on the government or court websites, or put your faith in a guy thousands of miles away that won't even come have a beer with you before your trial.
Its becoming obvious that WP was like some sort of weird cult with TomTom playing the part of Jim Jones ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones ) or David Koresh ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh ).
Some continue to follow right up until their death (in this case financial death), and others see the light and get out.
Make your own choices -- but make them with outside information. Not TomTom or other ANONYMOUS POSTERS HERE, go research for yourself.
James
WebmasterX
16-06-09, 22:19
Posting pictures available for free publicly on a board isn't illegal, to prove copyright you have to prove that you lost money from it. How can someone lose money from something they never charged for??
That isn't what contributory infringement is anyways, that's when someone helped someone out like made a board so someone could share on it, not downloaded the stuff. You're going to make your case look bad if you keep spouting things that are just outright wrong!
You NEED permission to repost ANYTHING that is copyrighted. If you don't have permission to use the material the owner has a right to sue for copyright infringement. Please read some of the links the James Grady has added to his posts. Educated yourself a bit.
tomtom21514
16-06-09, 23:20
Yes we disagree. I am still convinced to ask a lawyer before signing anything in panic is important. What I offer is not legal advice, it's common sense. Former members should simply know that there is evidence that all you have is "fruit of the forbidden tree", and these evidence are available in the US.
People should know that you filed for a few million $ against the state because you were held in prision for a year. Can you please tell us what came out of that?
TomTom,
You and I disagree.
How about I pay all your expenses for you to come to the USA, and pay the $25,000 mentioned in another post for you to hire legal counsel for any of the persons involved. TheN we don't have to fight here, we can simply do it in a court and let the legal system decide.
You select whom you want to defend from my list and I'll give YOU the money to hire THEM a lawyer.
Just take that offer posted above and come on down to Florida.
James
You NEED permission to repost ANYTHING that is copyrighted. If you don't have permission to use the material the owner has a right to sue for copyright infringement. Please read some of the links the James Grady has added to his posts. Educated yourself a bit.
yeah the owner can sue for copyright infringement even if the person didn't do anything
being able to sue doesn't amount to anything --> winning the lawsuit does
saying that someone convicted of copyright infringement has to pay anything else doesn't matter, the point is that the person isn't infringing on a copyright in the first place --> no malicious intent or profiting then no infringement happened --> thats the law!!
don't tell me to educate myself when you have no idea what you're talking about...posting things for discussion/reviews is protected under the DMCA as fair use, if you don't know that then you don't know anything about this whole law because that is one of the first things you would have encountered. im not here to try to start an argument im just stating what i know is facts vs your tales...
what james grady posted isn't law, its what james grady posted. by far not a credible source no matter how much he wants to be, as credible as, well, me. an anonymous random person and maybe even less so considering his run ins with the law.
you might want to recheck your lawyers advice because if youre going to try people for posting things that are publicly available then you're going to waste a whole bunch of money and end up the REAL loser out of all of this!!
tomtom21514
16-06-09, 23:29
You are right. But the burdon of the proof is on your site. You have a board full of crypt-load links. But who owns the Rapidshare links behind that? Posters on WP did not point to these links - they pointed to crypt-load links. What is behind these links? Did you download them? Do you have a credible witness giving evidence abou that? Only a few questions a lawyer will ask. So: Sure you are right in general, and everyone knows that. But a chain of evidences without a missing link looks much different. RS-Poster=WP-Poster is a claim, nothing more.
You NEED permission to repost ANYTHING that is copyrighted. If you don't have permission to use the material the owner has a right to sue for copyright infringement. Please read some of the links the James Grady has added to his posts. Educated yourself a bit.
PLEASE can someone stop this discussion? i thought this was a porn-forum, not a justice-discussion round.......:mad:
Doesn't matter. You illegally posted the material of other webmasters. They will be pleased to get the evidence needed to send you a C&D letter.
I'm getting the feeling you nothing more that a teenage boy. Just a hunch I got by looking at the way you express yourself. Sorry son, your mommy and daddy aren't going to pull you out of this one.
Wish I was a teenage boy,then I would be getting it on with milfs and actually think it's great.I am unconcerned with any threats.IF ANY MODELS SUE ME COULD THEY SERVE IT TO ME IN PERSON WHILE NUDE?
Oh, and if I could choose what model will sue me,please make it Sandy Summers. Will she come to court in a smart business ensemble consisting of a short,tight skirt,with no panties ?
You wouldn't last 5 seconds with me, big talking faggot on the Internat.. Yeah, let's meet at the original Hooters. Anytime. You're nothing but a illegal posting piece of shit. You illegally posted the material of other webmasters. You don't think they want that info?
These are not threats. They're facts. Everyone better realize this.
Ha. You have no IDEA what you are talking about.If you have my info,knock on my door.Otherwise you are all talk,and/ or have nothing.Which is it?:finger:
Sicilian,
Thanks.... Maybe you are out of the loop.
The guys we are going after the hardest -- Beard, Banks and Henry -- posted many, many times from my site TrueBabes.com -- thats all models ages 18+.
I assume now that I have your blessing?
James
I was unaware you had 18+ sites LOL. Just shows I have nothing to do with your particular stuff.I prefer Christina,Sandy Summers,etc.I hope they sue me.:D
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 01:18
saying that someone convicted of copyright infringement has to pay anything else doesn't matter, the point is that the person isn't infringing on a copyright in the first place --> no malicious intent or profiting then no infringement happened --> thats the law!!
Zubtron, please take your expert postings and run out and tell all the Federal Judges they are wrong.
Maybe you can start with this case. No matter what your opinion, or any other person's opinion is here, this college girl put 24 songs out for others to copy. She was found guilty by a jury and ordered to pay $220,000.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/10/verdict-is-in.ars
You just claimed "no malicious intent or profiting then no infringement happened --> thats the law!!"
And, it is you that are wrong. You just don't understand.
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 01:23
You are right. But the burdon of the proof is on your site. You have a board full of crypt-load links. But who owns the Rapidshare links behind that? Posters on WP did not point to these links - they pointed to crypt-load links. What is behind these links? Did you download them? Do you have a credible witness giving evidence abou that? Only a few questions a lawyer will ask. So: Sure you are right in general, and everyone knows that. But a chain of evidences without a missing link looks much different. RS-Poster=WP-Poster is a claim, nothing more.
TomTom, do they have the TV show Law & Order over there?
You talk like you watch it too much. All that chain of evidence stuff doesn't apply in civil court. The standards in civil court are much lower, just a "preponderance of the evidence" (51%) not like on TV with "Beyond a reasonable doubt"
Please remember I've been through this many times before, dating all the way back to 1994. I've never lost a suit over copyright issues.
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 01:26
Yes we disagree. I am still convinced to ask a lawyer before signing anything in panic is important. What I offer is not legal advice, it's common sense. Former members should simply know that there is evidence that all you have is "fruit of the forbidden tree", and these evidence are available in the US.
Does that mean you are refusing my generous offer to fly you over here and have you help the persons I see as "Bad Guys"?.
Its my money, come get it and take it to them with your expert advice. Lets see what happens.
Please.
PiratePete
17-06-09, 01:36
Mr Grady, this is a game you can never ever win. Have you tried taking down The Pirate Bay as well?
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 01:42
People should know that you filed for a few million $ against the state because you were held in prision for a year. Can you please tell us what came out of that?
Yes.
There was several suits filed. In Colorado there is a law on the books called something like "Statutory Notice". It states that if you have been harmed by the state you must notify them within one year by written notice or you have given up the right to sue. The law is there so that if a state employee has done something wrong his bosses can act and investigate in a timely manner -- like if a state highway snow plow driver hits a car it would be hard for state to investigate and defend if the car owner waited 2-3 years before filing claim.
In ways that law makes sense.
In my lawsuit cases the law sort of hurt me. My trial was over March 13th and we filed notice 5 months later in August.
About a year later all claims against the state were dismissed after state lawyers made motion to dismiss because I had missed the statutory notice deadline. The judge decided that the one year time frame started the night they arrested me (April 2002) and not the date they took me to trial (March 2003), and that I should have filed that notice by April 2003, when I thought I had until March 2004.
One case survived that motion by the state because of some actions taken by detectives that we (myself and my lawyers) did not discover until February 2003. That matter was settled for a bit over $400,000.
There was also three other suits to parties outside the state. 2 of them settled quickly because they (defendants) had money and didn't want the bad publicity. The third was dismissed when a person I counted on for information / testimony left town and failed to show for a deposition.
James
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 02:08
JunkMail I can't speak for other webmasters.
The settlement agreed to today with one WP Poster (hours after he was served in person) will include payments to me and two others. Those payments settle all matters involving my images and those of two others. We are waiting to hear from one more webmaster and hope to include them in the settlement -- meaning the poster will pay 4 people for his actions and receive a promise that those 4 will not sue him for actions taken before June 10th. He, (and I think he got legal advice), wants to wrap all liability into one settlement and move on.
If he posts again all agreements are off and all four webmasters are free to sue -- including to sue for the same images he settled for.
I have no plans to chase downloaders at this time. They couldn't download without the uploaders, so I go after the uploaders first.
That bit about Interpol and the FBI was pretty interesting. I wouldn't think they'd be all that interested in porn copyright violations, or was TT and Platoon involved in something more sinister?
DanglyBits
17-06-09, 03:08
Maybe you can start with this case. No matter what your opinion, or any other person's opinion is here, this college girl put 24 songs out for others to copy. She was found guilty by a jury and ordered to pay $220,000.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/10/verdict-is-in.ars
What you write about Capitol Records v. Jammie Thomas is incorrect. First in that she is a college student and second due to erroneous jury instructions -- that "making available" is sufficient to violate the law as opposed to proof of distribution -- the verdict was set aside and a new trial ordered.
You might want to review http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/not-for-publica/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammie_Thomas.
And WebmasterX:
You might want to consider United States v. Lori Drew -- where the Feds brought criminal charges for violating a site's TOS -- before continuing the tone of your recent posts.
Additionally, if you really believe that any of the posters you are responding to are teens, may I ask why you would bother? Teens are what is known as "judgment proof", yeah you might win in court, but you'll never collect and the day they turn eighteen they get a blank slate. It won't even affect their credit score.
What you write about Capitol Records v. Jammie Thomas is incorrect. First in that she is a college student and second due to erroneous jury instructions -- that "making available" is sufficient to violate the law as opposed to proof of distribution -- the verdict was set aside and a new trial ordered.
You might want to review http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/not-for-publica/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammie_Thomas.
And WebmasterX:
You might want to consider United States v. Lori Drew -- where the Feds brought criminal charges for violating a site's TOS -- before continuing the tone of your recent posts.
Additionally, if you really believe that any of the posters you are responding to are teens, may I ask why you would bother? Teens are what is known as "judgment proof", yeah you might win in court, but you'll never collect and the day they turn eighteen they get a blank slate. It won't even affect their credit score.
Many adults are "judgment proof" as well. Not to sterotype,but the majority of the people on boards may be disabled/retired with no assets, living on SS which can't be attached unless you are Uncle Sam.Others may be extremely low income with no assets, and you can't get blood from a stone.
I worked in FL for a collection agency whose policy was "sue first,ask questions later",needless to say the majority of those judgments were worthless.Had they done a check first,they would have saved a lot of time and money.
WebmasterX
17-06-09, 03:48
And WebmasterX:
You might want to consider United States v. Lori Drew -- where the Feds brought criminal charges for violating a site's TOS -- before continuing the tone of your recent posts.
If that's the case then a LOT of people are violation TOS, including you!
This board is an illegal posting board too! A criminal enterprise going after someone in civil court for violation of TOS?? Don't be such a dumb shit.
WebmasterX
17-06-09, 03:49
That bit about Interpol and the FBI was pretty interesting. I wouldn't think they'd be all that interested in porn copyright violations, or was TT and Platoon involved in something more sinister?
From what I understand, it was something else... But, I'll say no more since I don't have all the facts. I just know it's happening.
WebmasterX
17-06-09, 03:51
Many adults are "judgment proof" as well. Not to sterotype,but the majority of the people on boards may be disabled/retired with no assets, living on SS which can't be attached unless you are Uncle Sam.Others may be extremely low income with no assets, and you can't get blood from a stone.
I worked in FL for a collection agency whose policy was "sue first,ask questions later",needless to say the majority of those judgments were worthless.Had they done a check first,they would have saved a lot of time and money.
Hey, maybe I was wrong.. Maybe you're not such a bad guy. Let's be friends. Really. Let's meet at the original Hooters! Seriously. I'll buy you lunch. We'll laugh this all away!
WebmasterX
17-06-09, 03:59
Since many folks from WP-Board are here, I just want to give a shout out to folks that I KNOW and just might get to know better. No TOS violation here. lol
Alexandersupertramp
BiffTannon
iwinx0r
Samslade
Downer28
OliverCromwell
Jason4866
Packersfan5571
PatSox
Totaliser
KKline
AnotoleR
CharlieDodgson
RalphMalph
AnonymousBosch
mrcks
spillato
ILVSANDRA
Dr.Funkenstein
fijil
BigPaulie
Valcyrus
MindOrz
murphymagic
Dombo
silvercrown
searcher
voyboy
moving_in_circles
xbdwarf
riizch
johnnybegood
tukai
Lamo
TheDude
Just a few of my "friends" that I want to "kick it" with. I'll be in contact soon.
Hey, maybe I was wrong.. Maybe you're not such a bad guy. Let's be friends. Really. Let's meet at the original Hooters! Seriously. I'll buy you lunch. We'll laugh this all away!
I'm no longer down there.If I was maybe you could bring Andreza Melilli [Andie Valentino] with you.I checked the 18+ site,seems she started with that one[I never knew that].I heard she's retired now though.
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 05:24
What you write about Capitol Records v. Jammie Thomas is incorrect. First in that she is a college student and second due to erroneous jury instructions -- that "making available" is sufficient to violate the law as opposed to proof of distribution -- the verdict was set aside and a new trial ordered.
You might want to review http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/09/not-for-publica/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammie_Thomas.
And WebmasterX:
You might want to consider United States v. Lori Drew -- where the Feds brought criminal charges for violating a site's TOS -- before continuing the tone of your recent posts.
Additionally, if you really believe that any of the posters you are responding to are teens, may I ask why you would bother? Teens are what is known as "judgment proof", yeah you might win in court, but you'll never collect and the day they turn eighteen they get a blank slate. It won't even affect their credit score.
Didn't see that, thanks
Zubtron, please take your expert postings and run out and tell all the Federal Judges they are wrong.
Maybe you can start with this case. No matter what your opinion, or any other person's opinion is here, this college girl put 24 songs out for others to copy. She was found guilty by a jury and ordered to pay $220,000.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/10/verdict-is-in.ars
You just claimed "no malicious intent or profiting then no infringement happened --> thats the law!!"
And, it is you that are wrong. You just don't understand.
No, you don't understand. When someone shares songs that someone would otherwise have to pay for and causes that person to lose money, then it's copyright infringement. If someone is posting something for the sake of review that doesn't cause monetary loss and isn't done in a malicious manner then it would never go down like that in court. Please find just one court ruling where someone shared something that was publicly available for free and was fined/charged with copyright infringement...it's never happened because it can't. Not saying you don't have a case, what I'm saying is that stuff shared in public places for free when used in the context of a review or discussion and not for profit isn't looked at as copyright infringement.
You know I'm right about that, why say I'm wrong? More and more I start to think you guys don't really have a case against these people because even an idiot lawyer would tell you what I just told you above!
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 05:53
No, you don't understand. When someone shares songs that someone would otherwise have to pay for and causes that person to lose money, then it's copyright infringement. If someone is posting something for the sake of review that doesn't cause monetary loss and isn't done in a malicious manner then it would never go down like that in court. Please find just one court ruling where someone shared something that was publicly available for free and was fined/charged with copyright infringement...it's never happened because it can't. Not saying you don't have a case, what I'm saying is that stuff shared in public places for free when used in the context of a review or discussion and not for profit isn't looked at as copyright infringement.
You know I'm right about that, why say I'm wrong? More and more I start to think you guys don't really have a case against these people because even an idiot lawyer would tell you what I just told you above!
Zubron,
Posting things publically available is not what we are talking about in my cases. We are talking about an active member of my site deciding to be a Digital Robin Hood... taking from the secure members area and posting for others to download without paying....
There are many cases where people have done such things and had serious legal issues.
http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2006/10/30/virginia-man-gets-5-months-in-bittorrent-copyright-conviction
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2008/June/08-crm-574.html
According to U.S. Attorney Kubo, "Copyright infringement cases involving the distribution of unauthorized copies of games, music, and movies is a federal crime, and anyone who commits these offenses is stealing the product from its owner. This is not “fun and games.” We will continue to prosecute these crimes because it is considered to be a theft."
http://honolulu.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel07/copyright032007.htm
http://richmond.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel07/copyright091407.htm
http://sanfrancisco.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/2007/sf073107.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pjus/is_199908/ai_2362889250/
http://www.geek.com/articles/law/state-copyright-law-gets-first-conviction-2005039/
Haven't read all those cases, but there are tons of them out there.
DanglyBits
17-06-09, 05:56
If that's the case then a LOT of people are violation TOS, including you!
This board is an illegal posting board too! A criminal enterprise going after someone in civil court for violation of TOS?? Don't be such a dumb shit.
Wow, three major errors in only three sentences. First, it would be wise of you to make sure that you don't go around accusing people unless you have some factual basis to back it up. My interest here isn't porn, I'm bright enough to realize that there is no intimacy to be had from pictures of naked women. I'm here for the discussion in this thread. Second, unless there is a lot more to this forum than a first glance suggests, I'd be careful throwing around "criminal enterprise" as well. I don't see any hosting going on, contrasted with imagevenue or rapidshare -- who are making money from hosting what I personally believe is massive amounts of unauthorized content -- this is positively amateur. Third, I never even suggested a civil cause of action, I pointed out that the Federal government determined TOS violations to be violations of the CFAA, that is a crime not a tort. And the courts agreed. Which is why in US v. Drew the case wasn't dismissed during the pretrial motions. I'd enjoy the hell out of watching you go before a judge as the plaintiff in a copyright lawsuit after having crossed into the threats of violence that your recent posts seem to imply. It doesn't matter how wronged you feel, you don't get a self help option.
Finally, it's just plain prudent for you to be polite in every interaction. As I pointed out, in Capitol Records v. Thompson "making available" isn't sufficient to show that a violation has occurred. Current case law suggests that if you don't have proof of unauthorized individuals downloading, you're going to have a hard time making your case. As anyone intelligent is well aware, the best chance of getting money from anyone you catch posting your images is to offer a settlement that is less than the probable cost of a defense. Given the uphill battle you'd be facing if you ever do get to court, your incivility might hurt you.
After seeing just how serious some of the webmasters are taking this, I'm realizing now it's a much bigger deal than I always thought it to be. I have to admit I kind of feel bad about it now, I never thought their business' were really suffering becuase of any of this, but some of these guys are so hopping mad right now, I guess it must have been the case.
So with that, for my small part, I would like to apologize. Admitedly I wasn't a very big contributor, I didn't post alot of premium, paid for, type material like others. But I did participate in the forums, all the while thinking it was no big deal, no one was getting hurt etc. For that I'm sorry. I would never want to damage anyone who's business it is to bring poor slobs like me the gift of beautiful girls to gaze at. And I esepcially don't like the idea that the goings on in these kinds of forums caused any financial hardships on the models themselves. That really sucks.
I'm just a guy who in between work and sleep likes to go online and look at and talk about pretty girls. It was never meant to be melicious. I never thought of myself as some kind of pirate, or some underground crusader, just a horny guy with a computer
So webmasters, Grady, Don, Charles, Jeff, Barb etc. I had no idea that this kind of thing was messing with you and the people you worked with and care for so much, for that I am truly sorry
I join Pat in his sentiments. I always thought this was just a good natured ribbing between the posters and the webmasters and it was all in fun. Occassionaly they would rattle cages with threats and things would slow, and occassionaly posters talked tough as some of us are doing here. It seemed like it only involved a few people trading baselball cards or something.
All of this legal talk, and good people all around getting hurt does not sound like anything enjoyable any longer. I am sorry the models and webmasters were hurt, and I am sorry the posters are suffering as well. I wish we had had some of these discussions prior to repurcussions.
I do not know if this will really help the webmasters though. The music industry and the movie industry do this regularly and people can still find their favorite song or movie in seconds. New posters always spring up and just get more cautious with proxys and not buying tee shirts.
I agree with Pat. I do not think any of us thought of ourselves as "Blackbeard". However, hearing the legalities of it all does snap your head. Its like the cop asking why you were going 25 mph over the speed limit. You want to say, "it felt good officer", but that is not going to prevent a ticket. He reminds you that its the law and people die speeding, and you feel like a kid in the Principal's office again getting a lecture.
I suppose the lawyers make a lot out of all this. The legal talk gives me a headache. I wish you all well.
DanglyBits
17-06-09, 06:19
Zubtron:
You know I'm right about that, why say I'm wrong? More and more I start to think you guys don't really have a case against these people because even an idiot lawyer would tell you what I just told you above!
You are really confused. You are confusing fair use, with simple copyright infringement, with criminal copyright infringement. Fair use would allow you, in certain circumstances, to use someone else's work without permission. Not in all circumstances and not-for-profit isn't even one of the major criteria. Then you have your basic copyright infringement, basically a person misunderstands the situation or for example if you emailed an mp3 to one of your friends. You might be facing a judgment of around $200 per infringement. If it was a little more egregious, you could also be facing a a judgment between $750 - $30,000 per infringement. Then you get into criminal infringement. This would be something like you are pressing DVDs in a warehouse somewhere and passing them off as legit originals, or another example would be if you took Mr. Grady's photos and attempted to set up your own porn site and sold the photos as your own. Then you could be facing $150,000 per infringement. And I keep saying "per infringement" that means each song, each picture, each movie.
And contrary to what WebmasterX seems to think, people could be here just because this stuff is plain interesting. See this (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000504----000-.html) web page for the actual US code that details the amounts. Also search on Wikipedia for "Jammie Thompson" and "RIAA", or another interesting case but not copyright related is US v. Lori Drew. This is the psycho lady who was harassing a thirteen year old girl over myspace and eventually the teen killed herself. Turns out that it wasn't illegal so in order to do something, the US Attorney went with a falsified myspace page (the violated TOS I mentioned in a previous post.) She was found guilty of misdemeanors, but the case is still in appeals.
JunkMail I can't speak for other webmasters.
The settlement agreed to today with one WP Poster (hours after he was served in person) will include payments to me and two others. Those payments settle all matters involving my images and those of two others. We are waiting to hear from one more webmaster and hope to include them in the settlement -- meaning the poster will pay 4 people for his actions and receive a promise that those 4 will not sue him for actions taken before June 10th. He, (and I think he got legal advice), wants to wrap all liability into one settlement and move on.
If he posts again all agreements are off and all four webmasters are free to sue -- including to sue for the same images he settled for.
I have no plans to chase downloaders at this time. They couldn't download without the uploaders, so I go after the uploaders first.
Does he get a subscription to the website for all that money? As for your offer to fly me down to Fla. and discuss things with you sounds wonderful. However, since I am not a big player in all this I am afraid it would be a waste of your hard earned money. You seem like a very serious and well informed fellow, and trying to protect real harm from your business. I truly apologize. I wish you would have tried to reach out with this information on these boards and warn poeple. If they persisted it would have been at their own peril. As you can see, discusions do affect some people's thinking abut this and is a worthwhile thing.
I am kinda wondering now about the owners of this board who are doing this as a business? A lot of these boards will stop posting of certain models and sites if asked by the webmaster. Does the webmaster bear any burden in honestly trying to get a person to cease and desist before filing suit?
Yes,keep blowing hot air Mr.Grady.I'm sure these guys said and thought the same things,and look where it got them.
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/Press%20Releases/NDAL%20webe%20indict%20PR_112806.pdf
http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/Press%20Releases/NDAL%20Pierson%20plea%20PR_030707.pdf
It seems you have your head in the sand.What you do is not popular with the feds.That is what you really need to worry about,not some posters on this forum.
You aren't Warner Bros or Capitol Records.The federal government is looking for ways to put you away,not worry about some BS copyright claim of yours.
Zubtron:
You are really confused. You are confusing fair use, with simple copyright infringement, with criminal copyright infringement. Fair use would allow you, in certain circumstances, to use someone else's work without permission. Not in all circumstances and not-for-profit isn't even one of the major criteria. Then you have your basic copyright infringement, basically a person misunderstands the situation or for example if you emailed an mp3 to one of your friends. You might be facing a judgment of around $200 per infringement. If it was a little more egregious, you could also be facing a a judgment between $750 - $30,000 per infringement. Then you get into criminal infringement. This would be something like you are pressing DVDs in a warehouse somewhere and passing them off as legit originals, or another example would be if you took Mr. Grady's photos and attempted to set up your own porn site and sold the photos as your own. Then you could be facing $150,000 per infringement. And I keep saying "per infringement" that means each song, each picture, each movie.
And contrary to what WebmasterX seems to think, people could be here just because this stuff is plain interesting. See this (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000504----000-.html) web page for the actual US code that details the amounts. Also search on Wikipedia for "Jammie Thompson" and "RIAA", or another interesting case but not copyright related is US v. Lori Drew. This is the psycho lady who was harassing a thirteen year old girl over myspace and eventually the teen killed herself. Turns out that it wasn't illegal so in order to do something, the US Attorney went with a falsified myspace page (the violated TOS I mentioned in a previous post.) She was found guilty of misdemeanors, but the case is still in appeals.
You guys are the ones that are confused not me! First off I'm not talking about stealing stuff from members areas so I'm not sure why Grady jumped in on it, I was arguing with Webmaster-X that if you take a picture that someone posted somewhere publicly and isn't charging money to see (accessible to anyone, for free) and using it for discussion and review then you are protected under fair use. The whole thing with mp3s is that they aren't posted publicly by the people that made them for anyone to download. My example was taking a picture from a Model Mayhem page, giving credit to where it was found and posting it somewhere else for discussion. There's nothing wrong with that and Webmaster-X was saying that there was.
You guys are the ones that are confused not me! First off I'm not talking about stealing stuff from members areas so I'm not sure why Grady jumped in on it, I was arguing with Webmaster-X that if you take a picture that someone posted somewhere publicly and isn't charging money to see (accessible to anyone, for free) and using it for discussion and review then you are protected under fair use. The whole thing with mp3s is that they aren't posted publicly by the people that made them for anyone to download. My example was taking a picture from a Model Mayhem page, giving credit to where it was found and posting it somewhere else for discussion. There's nothing wrong with that and Webmaster-X was saying that there was.
There is really no point arguing.I'm sure the feds monitor Grady's site just looking for the slightest slipup.It's only a matter of time.He seems to not have learned his lesson after sitting in jail for a year.Next time it will be fed charges and they don't play.
tomtom21514
17-06-09, 08:18
Having a legal position is the one thing, having sufficiant evidence is something else. Keep in mind that WP worked different from this board. And read this very carefully to discuss this with you lawyer, if needed. Leave out all remarks about legality I maid before. Simply check the facts.
Situation for downloaders
In case you have the WP-logfiles, you might get evidence that someone opened a Cryptload-folder. Do you know if those guys realy downloaded from crypt-load? What if they closed it? This downloads woud not be logged at WP, but at crypt-load. You not even get a clue what's inside this folder. Again: Clicking on cryptloadfolder does not start a download. A second click is needed - and not in the logfiles. Sorry, no evidence at all.
For uploaders:
As mentioned, cryptload folders contain links to content hosters. But who was the uploader? Frequently, people took RS links they found, put them into cryptload folders and posted them. Comments like "Thanks to the oridinal uploader" are found everywhere on the board.
It's even unclear who's the owner of the cryptloadlink. It's obvious, who is making the files on RS available: Cryptload. To know who the uploader is, you need the RS logs.
We can disagree about the legal point of view. We have to agree on the fact, that you have to establish sufficiant evidence.
http://cccaim.blogspot.com/2008/06/james-grady-child-pornographer.html
Grady why is this article refering to you as a CHILD PORNOGROPHER, which was posted long AFTER the resoloution of the charges in CO still up? It is because in order to have it removed,you would have to file a civil suit and in your own words,prove through a "preponderance of the evidence" and not "beyond a reasonable doubt" that you are not in fact,a child pornogropher?
That would be difficult for you wouldn't it? 99% of the population would have no problem legally removing such a posting flat out calling them a child pornogropher,but you do.That speaks for itself.
If I am wrong,then let's see your legal eagles have it removed forthwith.I'm sure you have been aware of it from day one,but if not you now are.
PiratePete
17-06-09, 09:05
Hey Webmasters, are you going to take The Pirate Bay down as well? I'm sure there are plenty of people seeding their asses off because of this.
This is a game you can never ever win.
http://cccaim.blogspot.com/2008/06/james-grady-child-pornographer.html
Grady why is this article refering to you as a CHILD PORNOGROPHER, which was posted long AFTER the resoloution of the charges in CO still up? It is because in order to have it removed,you would have to file a civil suit and in your own words,prove through a "preponderance of the evidence" and not "beyond a reasonable doubt" that you are not in fact,a child pornogropher?
That would be difficult for you wouldn't it? 99% of the population would have no problem legally removing such a posting flat out calling them a child pornogropher,but you do.That speaks for itself.
If I am wrong,then let's see your legal eagles have it removed forthwith.I'm sure you have been aware of it from day one,but if not you now are.
Similar articles point to how he was acquitted. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-150443.html
Similar articles point to how he was acquitted. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-150443.html
My point is that the article I posted was published years AFTER the resoloution you speak of,yet he can do nothing about it legally.To do so would require him to file a civil suit against the publisher and prove beyond a preponderance of the evidence that he is not a child pornogropher in civil court,seperate than criminal evidentary rules.That would be impossible for him.Similar is the OJ Simpson murder verdict in criminal court,and the subsequent differing verdict in civil court concerning the same charge.
This Grady talks of his crack legal team and how he will litigate to no end,etc.,yet a publication posted on the world wide web internet flat out declares him as a CHILD PORNOGROPHER,and he,unlike 99% of the general population can't have it removed or collect any damages through legal means.That speaks for it self.
Would you sit by quietly if that was your photo and name being declared a child pornogropher? Unless of course there was some truth behind it,then you would have no recourse,like Grady
Where there is smoke,there is fire.
JamesGrady
17-06-09, 16:37
http://cccaim.blogspot.com/2008/06/james-grady-child-pornographer.html
Grady why is this article refering to you as a CHILD PORNOGROPHER, which was posted long AFTER the resoloution of the charges in CO still up? It is because in order to have it removed,you would have to file a civil suit and in your own words,prove through a "preponderance of the evidence" and not "beyond a reasonable doubt" that you are not in fact,a child pornogropher?
That would be difficult for you wouldn't it? 99% of the population would have no problem legally removing such a posting flat out calling them a child pornogropher,but you do.That speaks for itself.
If I am wrong,then let's see your legal eagles have it removed forthwith.I'm sure you have been aware of it from day one,but if not you now are.
Actually, thats the first I had ever seen it.
I do find one thing funny. How the discussion is supposed to be about illegal file trading, but a few people keep bringing up old stuff like 1982 bad check conviction or the 2002 CP charge (and they always forget to type the not guilty part).
Why is that? What does it have to do with the file trading?
Are you suddenly claiming that because wrote bad checks in 1981 and 1982 YOU have the right to post my DVDs and HD Videos and Photo Sets here in 2009?
I simply don't understand your argument.
I think it because you have no proper legal stance, so you want to redirect the topic away from trading and onto something else.
This is all I know for sure.
I am a man. I am the only one here willing to use his real name and put his contact information right here.
James Grady
40 West Littleton Blvd
Littleton, CO. 80120
1-877-686-5393
Or, after the 24th when I'm in Florida:
James Grady
2655 Ulmerton Rd
Clearwater, FL. 33762
1-877-686-5393
Or Florida studio
James Grady
3725 131st Avenue North
Clearwater, FL. 33762
1-877-686-5393
None of the keyboard jockeys here are willing to do the same. They hide in there rooms and flex the typing fingers to sow how tough they are -- but there isn't a one of them that would bring any of these arguments into a courtroom.
There isn't a one of them that is going to donate money, get on the witness stand, advise the defendants or even attend a trial over the illegal file trading.
None -- Period. The bravery stops at the end of their finger tips.
Read back a few pages -- I'm offering free trips to Florida, world class hotels and tons of money for just one of these keyboard jockeys to come in and rescue the defendants.
Heck, I offer to give them the money to go advise the defendants in person, and they won't do it.
Bravery stops at the keyboard, and that is a shame.
I'm done here. Too much time wasted..... In fact I came here this morning to post that I can't participate any longer. I made a few mistakes in my updates last night and had a few sad customers emails this morning. Thats night my style.... and I think its because I kept popping in here for this thread and private messages, rather then my normal 100% attention on the updates.
Thats not fair to the thousands of subscribers that honestly pay for my work week after week.
Fake screennames, childishly bringing up old stuff that is off topic, all that doesn't impress me.
If you, or anybody else here wants to deal in the real world. Wants to take their expert legal advise to the defendants in my actions, please accept my offer as stated on previous pages.
Just come to Florida after the 24th. Sit with me in a nice place and review how all my sites work, and documentation about how trading steals from our income and that of other teen models.
Like an honest adult.... come see for yourself.... then if you still think the defendants are justified in stealing / posting my materials, and those of other sites, I'll give you the money ($25K) and contact information and you can fly across the country at my expense to be their paid consultant and help them defend themselves.
I'll pay all the expenses. I'll provide $25K for the defense. I'll even buy you chicken wings at Woody's on St Pete Beach....
But, you have to be a man and come see for yourself.
Anonymous keyboard jockeys that can't act away from the keyboard won't be allowed on the witness stand, at the defense table, in the lawyer meetings -- if anybody here thinks they are a file sharing digital superman and can rescue these people (file trading defendants) with your redirections and super dooper triple power legal thoughts -- PLEASE ACCEPT MY OFFER.
James Grady
Easy contact form at:
http://bigmouthshirts.net/
1-877-686-5393
TrueTeenBabes -- the work in question, about to celebrate its 8th year!
http://TrueTeenBabes.com/ * http://modelkelsey.com/
Actually, thats the first I had ever seen it.
I do find one thing funny. How the discussion is supposed to be about illegal file trading, but a few people keep bringing up old stuff like 1982 bad check conviction or the 2002 CP charge (and they always forget to type the not guilty part).
Why is that? What does it have to do with the file trading?
Are you suddenly claiming that because wrote bad checks in 1981 and 1982 YOU have the right to post my DVDs and HD Videos and Photo Sets here in 2009?
I simply don't understand your argument.
I think it because you have no proper legal stance, so you want to redirect the topic away from trading and onto something else.
This is all I know for sure.
I am a man. I am the only one here willing to use his real name and put his contact information right here.
James Grady
40 West Littleton Blvd
Littleton, CO. 80120
1-877-686-5393
Or, after the 24th when I'm in Florida:
James Grady
2655 Ulmerton Rd
Clearwater, FL. 33762
1-877-686-5393
Or Florida studio
James Grady
3725 131st Avenue North
Clearwater, FL. 33762
1-877-686-5393
None of the keyboard jockeys here are willing to do the same. They hide in there rooms and flex the typing fingers to sow how tough they are -- but there isn't a one of them that would bring any of these arguments into a courtroom.
There isn't a one of them that is going to donate money, get on the witness stand, advise the defendants or even attend a trial over the illegal file trading.
None -- Period. The bravery stops at the end of their finger tips.
Read back a few pages -- I'm offering free trips to Florida, world class hotels and tons of money for just one of these keyboard jockeys to come in and rescue the defendants.
Heck, I offer to give them the money to go advise the defendants in person, and they won't do it.
Bravery stops at the keyboard, and that is a shame.
I'm done here. Too much time wasted..... In fact I came here this morning to post that I can't participate any longer. I made a few mistakes in my updates last night and had a few sad customers emails this morning. Thats night my style.... and I think its because I kept popping in here for this thread and private messages, rather then my normal 100% attention on the updates.
Thats not fair to the thousands of subscribers that honestly pay for my work week after week.
Fake screennames, childishly bringing up old stuff that is off topic, all that doesn't impress me.
If you, or anybody else here wants to deal in the real world. Wants to take their expert legal advise to the defendants in my actions, please accept my offer as stated on previous pages.
Just come to Florida after the 24th. Sit with me in a nice place and review how all my sites work, and documentation about how trading steals from our income and that of other teen models.
Like an honest adult.... come see for yourself.... then if you still think the defendants are justified in stealing / posting my materials, and those of other sites, I'll give you the money ($25K) and contact information and you can fly across the country at my expense to be their paid consultant and help them defend themselves.
I'll pay all the expenses. I'll provide $25K for the defense. I'll even buy you chicken wings at Woody's on St Pete Beach....
But, you have to be a man and come see for yourself.
Anonymous keyboard jockeys that can't act away from the keyboard won't be allowed on the witness stand, at the defense table, in the lawyer meetings -- if anybody here thinks they are a file sharing digital superman and can rescue these people (file trading defendants) with your redirections and super dooper triple power legal thoughts -- PLEASE ACCEPT MY OFFER.
James Grady
Easy contact form at:
http://bigmouthshirts.net/
1-877-686-5393
TrueTeenBabes -- the work in question, about to celebrate its 8th year!
http://TrueTeenBabes.com/ * http://modelkelsey.com/
I didn't know that you write bad checks,sounds like a personal problem.I never stole your files and don't know why anyone would,since imo they have no redeeming qualities,other than catering to the lacivious desires of pedophiles.
Discussing file sharing issues with someone who produces content bordering on child porn is kind of silly.Imo child porn is a much worse problem.Thankfully the feds are looking at people like you and hopefully no person will be able to share your files any longer once you join the others from webeweb in prison.
Anyway,Now that you are aware of the article I posted,I'm sure your attys will have it removed forthwith? Can you committ to that? You seem so sure of everything else.
dillon1980
17-06-09, 17:46
TrueTeenBabes -- the work in question, about to celebrate its 8th year!
http://TrueTeenBabes.com/ * http://modelkelsey.com/
So the site is nearly as old as some of your models???? :)
I really couldn't resist that, besides this thread needs a little humour injection or to get back on topic!
So the site is nearly as old as some of your models???? :)
I really couldn't resist that, besides this thread needs a little humour injection or to get back on topic!
:funnypost::rofl: ROFL! You're right, a little humor is certainly a nice change.
As to getting back on topic, this discussion might not be as off topic as I originally thought it was (although it would be better as part of a discussion thread that was not Christina-specific). Many people might be hesitant to get back to posting when they're not sure whether it's safe to do so.
:confused: :punish: :run:
I understand why James Grady has some confidence in pursing lawsuits where he has documented evidence of the start and end points of "media migration" resulting from members downloading marked pictures from his sites and immediately uploading them to WP. However, for situations beyond those select few cases, the links that he posted regarding copyright infringement don't seem useful for setting expectations about the viability of proving guilt in what are clearly the majority of WP offenses. Grady's links involve things like BitTorrent, P2P, warez sites, camming, Xbox consoles and sales of pirated media. Can anyone point to a successfully prosecuted case involving file links hosted on sites like WP or P-G and accessed via crypt-it/RS/ML/etc.? (Sorry if someone has already posted a relevant case and I've missed it.)
:cop::s&b::order: :anyone:
The real test is going to be when someone goes to court, pleads not guilty and simply says, "No, I didn't share that file." Even the "thanks" that uploaders received doesn't prove that the file existed or contained the advertised content because downloaders often hit the "Thanks" button before they've started the download or viewed the file. If it is possible to successfully litigate against such things, I'm surprised that (a) a link to the case hasn't been posted and (b) that crypt-it and RS haven't been dragged into court and hit hard financially.
Again, as someone who often financially supports the "art form" of scantily clad, legal-aged hotties :boobies:, the comments above are not meant to defend or encourage illegal file sharing, only to give me an excuse to use way too many smiley icons in a single post.
One more question: Does anyone know if equally lively discussions about the WP situation are happening on Usenet (e.g.: a.b.m.)? I've considered rejoining Giganews after years away, but I don't relish the prospect of wading waist-deep through crimson Dog poop. :poo::poo::poo:
PiratePete
17-06-09, 22:54
One more question: Does anyone know if equally lively discussions about the WP situation are happening on Usenet (e.g.: a.b.m.)? I've considered rejoining Giganews after years away, but I don't relish the prospect of wading waist-deep through crimson Dog poop. :poo::poo::poo:
Some discussions, but lots of trolling as well.
To James:
In case you come back, you seemed mystified as to the reactions you were receiving here. Since you took time to help us understand your position, let me take a few moments to help you understand the thinking of the posting community.
Most posters see you webmasters as being rich lazy bastards who made their money off pics of noodie girls. Its not seen as a "real" occupation, so therefore people do not feel respect for your work, nor regret at your loss. Most posters feel they could do a 100% better job if they had a chance to run a website. They also do not feel bad taking a dip in your swimming pool on a hot summer night (posting pics) which you paid for by ill gotten gains (hence references to bad checks and cp). We are the poor slobs, and you represent the rich who oppress us by trying to stop our midnight swim.
As you pointed out, you work hard, its a business, and it costs you a lot when people post your stuff. Those who post content, whether it be movies, songs, or pics feel its their right to steal from the rich who get gobs of money, while they work at Burger King on a greasy frier all day in order to get a six pack that night (not a personal reference to my occupation).
I am not saying these perceptions are true or right, and may simply be justifications for what we do in secret late at night. It feels good to get something for free in which there is little or no chance of getting caught. When the rich guy with the big houses and swimming pools comes and gives us a lecture on the wrongness of stealing, we obviously do not like it. The fact that you offered to fly us all down there and wine and dine us (does the offer inculde meeting the models cause I might be "up" for that?) it makes it seem ludicrous that you are crying about losing a few bucks becuase we posted some pics.
When the rich guy is obviously trying to tax us by lawsuits it seems even more grossly unfair. Rapidshare, cryptload, and even this board are making money off our midnight swims, and we now have to pay for their services to protect ourselves from webmasters. So all around us are rich people making money off these proceedings including your lawyers, while we pay more and more for less and less. It represents our frustration with an economy that rapes us at the gas pump and in which all the rich bastards who ruined our econmy are on boats in the Carribean now, while we lose our jobs and worry about a paycheck.
I am not saying these perceptions are correct, I am just helping you understand posters. The fact that you pointed out that the your losses were substantial, and the fact the models suffer did add a new way of looking at things for some of us, hence our apologies. However, there is still the rich guy vs. the poor guy...and in the Pirates of the Carribean, the pirates were the good guys.
I must admit I am still having feelings about the money making way you snuck up with these lawsuits. You did not honestly try to stop posting and were forced to do this as a last resort. In realty Zablokis and the other "defendants" would be paying for our trip down to Florida to meet you isn't that correct ? I guess the problem is that pronograpy does not quite feel like a real commodity we are stealing, like candy from the 7-11, or even a magazine from the newsstand. It feels kinda unreal.
Your discussions do educate us to the very real consequeces that stealing stuff in cyberspace entails. I guess we got away with it so long we thought it was our birthright. I still wonder how many webmasters will go through all the trouble and expense to do what you did? Perhaps you could sell an online package for webmaster on how to do this, and even offer your staff of lawyers for a fee. You might make millions. Of course, then we would hate you even more ;-)
Or, as the owners of this board do, you could reopen WP and recoup your losses by selling advertising on the site and having the ability to edit out your own material and the webmasters who are friends. Everyone wins! You could even pay TT for the board becuase after all, it was his board.
PiratePete
17-06-09, 23:21
To James:
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Well put.
Still there are thousands and thousands of ttb pictures available all over the net and James can't do a thing about it. And with his latest actions I would assume that people will be even more inclined to share ttb stuff (yes, no kidding!). Music and film industry also tried to go the hard way and they failed miserably...
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One more question: Does anyone know if equally lively discussions about the WP situation are happening on Usenet (e.g.: a.b.m.)? I've considered rejoining Giganews after years away, but I don't relish the prospect of wading waist-deep through crimson Dog poop. :poo::poo::poo:
I would not waste your money. Posting has dried up to a trickle and the discussions have too.
This individual imo deserves no respect or any discussion.He earns a living by photgraphing girls who may not even be menstruating yet in adult getups.If any of you think that is okay,then I hope he does "out" you to your families by commencing against you.You can join him in being scorned and ridiculed publicly.Although I know he won't,since a federal courthouse is the last place such a person would want to be.
Comparing his "product"to legitimate forms of entertainment is absurd.He is not Disney,these kids are "modeling" their bodies for pedophiles,nothing more.
First off, LaMo, thanks for the well written explanation of why some people are motivated to share copywrited media without attempting to justify it. I think there are other motivations as well, such as the simple desire of boys to share/trade their favorite baseball cards and comic books with their friends. Also, obsessed collectors might be inclined to post some items in hopes that someone else will post what they need to complete their collection (even if they never look at those pictures/videos again). None of this makes it right, but hopefully more understandable.
To James:
As you pointed out, you work hard, its a business, and it costs you a lot when people post your stuff.
On a different topic, your comment above crystalized some thoughts that have been gestating in the back of my brain. Do illegal posters actually cost JG money, or are the lawsuits *far* more profitable for JG than the TTB site would be even if no one ever pirated a single pic from that site? From what I've read over the past decade, it seems most porn/glamour sites have problems maintaining profitability past the initial novelty phase. It's not just a matter of piracy. There's a ton of competition and the new guy almost always has a better page with pics and videos of higher resolution and girls that are new to the viewing audience. Unless the money-making web girls begin to show and do more, the fan base drops off, and even if they do they can lose their appeal as age and a poor lifestyle choices take their toll. Girls hired to replace them often lack the charm of the originals and long time members leave in search of something better elsewhere. (Some of you who were fans of the original World Products girls probably relate to that.)
If JG really wanted to prevent theft, it seems fairly easy. Simply digitally watermark each picture in real time with the credit card number of the member accessing that picture and give everyone a way of viewing the watermark of any TTB picture. That would probably require more server power, but that seems cheap compared the money he claims to be losing. Illegal sharing of pics would fall off sharply because no one wants to publish their own credit card number.
So, as though there aren't enough conspiracy theories in the world (and, really, are there? ;)), is it possible that JG is just running the TTB site so he can make money from lawsuits? In fact, could the entire WP board be a grand, multi-year sting operation designed to allow webmasters to make examples of some posters and make some good $$$ in the process?
Now, I need to get back to proving that the Illuminati killed JFK and that Obama is really white. :)
Reply to John Drake:
I think James grady has made it clear that he has proof he is losing money and was willing to offer it up at his expense of flying us to Fla. Maybe we should go. I do however wonder about the lawesuits when it really doesn't seem has made any effort to protect his pics as you stated, or made any effort to slow or stop pirating in simpler ways. He really snuck up on these lawsuits and really seems about the bucks. I am wondering if that is any defense legally if he did not give fair process to cease and desist. I am not sure how the law works these days. The fact that he says he does this repeatedly makes me wonder if this isn't a nice lucrative side business.
I am also a bit chagrined at the immense amount of money being made off pirating by advertisers to sites like this, rapidshare, megaupload, netload and now a new one Hotfile. It seems like a lot of companies are making a killing, especially cryptload. The lawyers sue, then create companies to portect us, then sue some more. I think its the lawyers fault.
What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottem of the ocean? A start
It was so cold the other day, I saw a lawyer with his hands in his own pockets.
What is the differnece between a dead snake and a dead lawyer in the raod? There is skid marks before the snake.
Reply to John Drake:
I think James grady has made it clear that he has proof he is losing money and was willing to offer it up at his expense of flying us to Fla. Maybe we should go. I do however wonder about the lawesuits when it really doesn't seem has made any effort to protect his pics as you stated, or made any effort to slow or stop pirating in simpler ways. He really snuck up on these lawsuits and really seems about the bucks. I am wondering if that is any defense legally if he did not give fair process to cease and desist. I am not sure how the law works these days. The fact that he says he does this repeatedly makes me wonder if this isn't a nice lucrative side business.
I am also a bit chagrined at the immense amount of money being made off pirating by advertisers to sites like this, rapidshare, megaupload, netload and now a new one Hotfile. It seems like a lot of companies are making a killing, especially cryptload. The lawyers sue, then create companies to portect us, then sue some more. I think its the lawyers fault.
What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottem of the ocean? A start
It was so cold the other day, I saw a lawyer with his hands in his own pockets.
What is the differnece between a dead snake and a dead lawyer in the raod? There is skid marks before the snake.
Cryptload never worked.
mitchfour20
18-06-09, 02:02
i have a question for you Mr James Grady you talk about how much money you are losing how you are the victim of piracy but no one has ever mention the real victim the children you are exploiting you dont think what you are doing is wrong taking advantage of kids what happens to the children when you are finished with them how are there lives changed because of YOU how many families have you ruined so you can make a buck
Reply to John Drake:
I think James grady has made it clear that he has proof he is losing money and was willing to offer it up at his expense of flying us to Fla. Maybe we should go. I do however wonder about the lawesuits when it really doesn't seem has made any effort to protect his pics as you stated, or made any effort to slow or stop pirating in simpler ways. He really snuck up on these lawsuits and really seems about the bucks. I am wondering if that is any defense legally if he did not give fair process to cease and desist. I am not sure how the law works these days. The fact that he says he does this repeatedly makes me wonder if this isn't a nice lucrative side business.
I am also a bit chagrined at the immense amount of money being made off pirating by advertisers to sites like this, rapidshare, megaupload, netload and now a new one Hotfile. It seems like a lot of companies are making a killing, especially cryptload. The lawyers sue, then create companies to portect us, then sue some more. I think its the lawyers fault.
What do you call 10,000 lawyers at the bottem of the ocean? A start
It was so cold the other day, I saw a lawyer with his hands in his own pockets.
What is the differnece between a dead snake and a dead lawyer in the raod? There is skid marks before the snake.
What lawsuits? Lawsuits are public record and he has posted no evidence that he has filed any lawsuits other than his word.A demand for payment letter written by a reputed child porn king,is not a lawsuit and anyone dumb enough to respond to it,let alone pay a penny,is simply crazy.
This individual is ALL TALK.He does not want to bring any scrutiny to himself from the federal government,as they have publicly made it know they consider such sites as his to be exploitative of children.The interstate/international nature of his alleged claim would force him to have to file such lawsuits in federal court.The last place he wants to be,nor does he want a federal judge,most likely a right wing fundamentalist,appointed by Bush,to be perusing his "modeling" photos of little girls.
i have a question for you Mr James Grady you talk about how much money you are losing how you are the victim of piracy but no one has ever mention the real victim the children you are exploiting you dont think what you are doing is wrong taking advantage of kids what happens to the children when you are finished with them how are there lives changed because of YOU how many families have you ruined so you can make a buck
Thank you.This scumbag is no "victim".How many children who are not his models may have been harmed also by the feeding of pedophile flames his site causes.He gets these sickos all wound up and who knows what they do because of it.:goodpost:
No money is changing hands, no collector is making a financial profit, it's just good people sharing what they have with other good people to get what they want for their own collections. I understand that this does not apply to the newer content but if say I didn't collect that newer content then any of this should not apply to me. Now it seems as though just being part of WP I am being thrown into the "bad guys" heap just because I was a member of WP.
James Grady has seemed to be very frank with us regarding the target of his lawsuits, which are people who downloaded his pictures hot off the presses and then immediately uploaded them. Although it's still technically illegal, he didn't seem interested in pursuing those who were trading media that is no longer available through other, legitimate sources and therefore wouldn't impact anyone's profits. I'm not sure about WebmasterX's stance on this. Regardless, my guess is that it wouldn't be very lucrative to try a case involving media that was no longer available for purchase, so I wouldn't lose any sleep if that's all you uploaded/downloaded from WP.
Clearly there's a lot of World Products media that falls into this category. It seems odd that JG can freely publish pictures of 13 year old girls in skimpy outfits but Charles won't sell a video of Missy or Christina when they were 17 and wearing something much less revealing. Of course, it might be that Charles is just playing it safe because he doesn't know the law as well as JG does, or maybe the statutes are different where he lives. I wonder what Charles' stance would be about fans sharing this out of print media. It doesn't cost him anything and can only benefit him by increasing demand for the items that he is selling.
James Grady has seemed to be very frank with us regarding the target of his lawsuits, which are people who downloaded his pictures hot off the presses and then immediately uploaded them. Although it's still technically illegal, he didn't seem interested in purusing those who were trading media that is no longer available through other, legitimate sources and therefore wouldn't impact anyone's profits. I'm not sure about WebmasterX's stance on this. Regardless, my guess is that it wouldn't be very lucrative to try a case involving media that was no longer available for purchase, so I'm not sure I'd lose sleep if that's all you uploaded/downloaded from WP.
Clearly there's a lot of World Products media that falls into this category. It seems odd that JG can freely publish pictures of 13 year old girls in skimpy outfits but Charles won't sell a video of Missy or Christina when they were 17 and wearing something much less revealing. Of course, that might be Charles just playing it safe because he doesn't know the law as well as JG does, or maybe the statutes are different where he lives. I wonder what Charles stance would be about fans sharing these out of print items. It doesn't cost him anything and can only benefit him by increasing demand for the items that he is selling.
There are no lawsuits,and NEVER will be.Let's see some proof,case #'s etc.He is sending out letters he admittedly is himself writing, looking to make a quick buck.If such letters were ignored he would and will do NADA for the reasons I stated in earlier posts.
Actually, thats the first I had ever seen it.
I do find one thing funny. How the discussion is supposed to be about illegal file trading, but a few people keep bringing up old stuff like 1982 bad check conviction or the 2002 CP charge (and they always forget to type the not guilty part).
Why is that? What does it have to do with the file trading?
Are you suddenly claiming that because wrote bad checks in 1981 and 1982 YOU have the right to post my DVDs and HD Videos and Photo Sets here in 2009?
I think it because you have no proper legal stance, so you want to redirect the topic away from trading and onto something else.
This is all I know for sure.
I am a man. I am the only one here willing to use his real name and put his contact information right here.
James Grady
40 West Littleton Blvd
Littleton, CO. 80120
1-877-686-5393
Or, after the 24th when I'm in Florida:
James Grady
2655 Ulmerton Rd
Clearwater, FL. 33762
1-877-686-5393
Or Florida studio
James Grady
3725 131st Avenue North
Clearwater, FL. 33762
1-877-686-5393
None of the keyboard jockeys here are willing to do the same. They hide in there rooms and flex the typing fingers to sow how tough they are -- but there isn't a one of them that would bring any of these arguments into a courtroom.
There isn't a one of them that is going to donate money, get on the witness stand, advise the defendants or even attend a trial over the illegal file trading.
None -- Period. The bravery stops at the end of their finger tips.
Read back a few pages -- I'm offering free trips to Florida, world class hotels and tons of money for just one of these keyboard jockeys to come in and rescue the defendants.
Heck, I offer to give them the money to go advise the defendants in person, and they won't do it.
Bravery stops at the keyboard, and that is a shame.
I'm done here. Too much time wasted..... In fact I came here this morning to post that I can't participate any longer. I made a few mistakes in my updates last night and had a few sad customers emails this morning. Thats night my style.... and I think its because I kept popping in here for this thread and private messages, rather then my normal 100% attention on the updates.
Thats not fair to the thousands of subscribers that honestly pay for my work week after week.
Fake screennames, childishly bringing up old stuff that is off topic, all that doesn't impress me.
If you, or anybody else here wants to deal in the real world. Wants to take their expert legal advise to the defendants in my actions, please accept my offer as stated on previous pages.
Just come to Florida after the 24th. Sit with me in a nice place and review how all my sites work, and documentation about how trading steals from our income and that of other teen models.
Like an honest adult.... come see for yourself.... then if you still think the defendants are justified in stealing / posting my materials, and those of other sites, I'll give you the money ($25K) and contact information and you can fly across the country at my expense to be their paid consultant and help them defend themselves.
I'll pay all the expenses. I'll provide $25K for the defense. I'll even buy you chicken wings at Woody's on St Pete Beach....
But, you have to be a man and come see for yourself.
Anonymous keyboard jockeys that can't act away from the keyboard won't be allowed on the witness stand, at the defense table, in the lawyer meetings -- if anybody here thinks they are a file sharing digital superman and can rescue these people (file trading defendants) with your redirections and super dooper triple power legal thoughts -- PLEASE ACCEPT MY OFFER.
James Grady
Easy contact form at:
http://bigmouthshirts.net/
1-877-686-5393
TrueTeenBabes -- the work in question, about to celebrate its 8th year!
http://TrueTeenBabes.com/ * http://modelkelsey.com/
What a crock of shit.Typical coward response.You are taking your toys and leaving the sandbox,huh? Well not literally,you still need a place to round up all those little girls and fit them for their new "handbras".
I don't think anyone should call those #'s as they are toll-free,meaning he can easily obtain your # as he is paying for the call.Nor should anyone take him up on his bogus travel offer,he is simply trying to identify people for who knows what reason.He is just a criminal and a scammer.
Since no-one has posted content for the last 20 pages and the thread has descended into a complete farce - thread closed.
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